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edition july 8 1947

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disk has been found and is now in

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the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged change the game

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i'm your host jimmy church what is

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cracking everybody how you doing

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how you doing

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so last week

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fader night with open lines all night

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an amazing an amazing week uh this week

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and those are going to be some great

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and there you go but you get a clue

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about your next goal i want you to visit

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einstein the crystal skull.com

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and if that's too long to remember

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head over to the website there is a a

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head over and and just go look at her

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it's the biggest and it is the best

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something is going to resonate with you

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take a look and when you make that

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use the promo code jimmy j-i-m-m-y

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it's really that simple

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and uh and she loves the fader knots man

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this this wonderful family for a long

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time and uh so there you go einstein the

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crystalskull.com follow me on twitter at

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follow me right there at j church radio

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the sandbox is hashtag f2b

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p.s fader has got a camel what is the oh

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that's gotta be ruby oh it is ruby oh

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the name is ruby oh no it's ruby okay

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ileana is the name of that skull

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okay thank you for that cass head over

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uh the sandbox right there on twitter

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hashtag f2b and hang out with us okay

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we got a big show tonight sean cahill is

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the breaking news

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russian military forces have destroyed a

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that among other things works to improve

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the laboratory built at a cost of 6

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part of our milky way oh oh oh oh nestle

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part of our milky way galaxy

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this is crazy news and i was talking

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part of our milky way galaxy is much

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cern

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the geneva area research center that

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houses the world's largest atom smasher

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is grappling with ways to punish

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russia's government while protecting

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russian researchers who work there

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to help solve the deepest mysteries of

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the universe cern the historic acronym

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for what now is known as the european

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organization for nuclear research has a

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mission to facilitate collaboration

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or nearly seven percent of the eighteen

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they're trying to keep the russians

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nasa's mars helicopter ingenuity

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has done it again

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soaring successfully on its 22nd red

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planet flight the four-pound ingenuity

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stayed a law for about 101 seconds and

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reached a maximum altitude of 33 feet

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check this news out wikileaks founder

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julian assange

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has married his fiancee at belle marsh

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all of this happened

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this morning

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just weeks before the third anniversary

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of his arrest

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he has been held in the high security

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prison since he was dragged out of

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london's ecuadorian embassy in 2019

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he was given permission to marry last

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year his partner stella morris is a

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lawyer she arrived at the southeast

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london jail in a dress designed by

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vivian westwood

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yeah

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four guests and two witnesses

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were allowed to attend the ceremony as

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well as

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two

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security guards

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prison guards

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let's get this show cracking

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birthday to today

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carrie russell

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46 years old

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star of

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the americans that's a great show

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and everything that's going on in the

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world right now

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with russia

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it makes that show

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all the more believable

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randall park today is 48

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and now i know what you're saying wait

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wait wait who

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who

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randall park

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today is 48 years old

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randall park

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played kim jong-un

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in the

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interview i love randall park that

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matthew modine uh oh no that was

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yesterday our dead guy's birthday today

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is

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and i know what you're saying right now

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you're like

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what

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dave frishberg

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1933-2021 died at the age of 88.

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dave was a singer

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he was also a songwriter

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and on saturday mornings in the 1970s

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there was a show called

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schoolhouse rock

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and on that show was one of the most

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sung lyrics in children's history

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i'm just a bill

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which was written by you guessed it

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dave frishberg

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the song was sung by jack sheldon with

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dialogue by sheldon's son john as the

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boy learning the process

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it's about how a bill becomes law and

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how it must go through congress and how

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it can be vetoed etc

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the bill in the song

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is for a law that school buses must stop

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at railroad crossings

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the bill becomes a law but in reality

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such a bill has never been approved by

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the united states congress but an

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equivalent by the united states

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department of transportation

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that's right

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dave died on november 17th

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2021 in portland oregon at the age of

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88.

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now on this day in history 1983

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in an address to the nation

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president ronald reagan proposes that

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the united states start a program to

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develop an anti-missile technology that

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would protect the united states from

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nuclear missiles

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called sdi or the strategic defense

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initiative and dubbed star wars

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it allegedly never happened

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yeah

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i vetted this today

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fader fact

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mcdonald's

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initially

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was a barbecue restaurant that quickly

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went out of business

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grand opening

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grand closing that's right

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three months later

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they reopened

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as a burger joint

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and

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that is your fader fact tonight very

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special guest sean cahill joins us he is

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here for the first time closing up

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batting cleanup this week because his

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first time guests week times two here on

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fade to black

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he is with us for the first time to talk

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about ufos

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uaps

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skyfort

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and beyond

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that's tonight tomorrow night is another

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fader night with open lines all night

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long when i get to this part of the show

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for my fade to black blend

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river moon coffee i love it when i get

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to this point in the show i'm reaching

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it's it's an automatic

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and tomorrow night

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unfade to black

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and now

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i earned it

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20 minutes

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rivermoonwellness.com

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yeah

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that's from offline that's funny

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that is funny

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rivermoonwellness.com i think the promo

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code is f2b blend 15 off of your order

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depending on you know you do it from the

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website i think that's good they don't

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have promo codes i don't think do they

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at amazon i don't know if you're

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shopping at the amazon store you're

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going to get free shipping i i don't

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know how all that works but fade to

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black blend

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game changer blend

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and we have all that other stuff with

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the uh

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on the air you know

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some some bot is gonna shut this show

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down but we we have another version of

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the coffee with something added to it go

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and all of our black moon wellness

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where am i

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you see the news today

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i don't know

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to be honest with you i really don't

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released through the black vault

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are the 16 pages depending on how you

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want to count them you can count them

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your own way and you can scroll through

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and go to the website click on the link

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and and look at the pdf and you can

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figure it out the pages are numbered and

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you can just go because he's got his

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intro letters there and there's a cover

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page there's a second cover page and

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then it goes out okay

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00:24:38,549 --> 00:24:36,159
but there's a certain amount of pages

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with data on them

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with the actual report so you got to go

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and count so in total

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the pdf file that john's got up here

454
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it's 24 pages how many of those are the

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report we'll start at the end and count

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backwards okay i kind of came up with 16

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and then there's a covered page there's

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an extra cover page is it 17 is it eight

459
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it doesn't matter it's all there

460
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okay so depending on how you want to

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count it

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all right because if i say the wrong

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number

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i'm going to get an email church it's

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not 15 it's 16 church it's not 16 to 17.

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it's 14.

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just just the pdf is there the pdf in

468
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total is 24 pages

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and uh it is titled it's right there

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it is the uap

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task force report from the office of the

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director of national intelligence

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titled

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preliminary assessment unidentified

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aerial phenomena 25 june 2021

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and uh

477
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wow

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all right

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yes

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the redactions start on the cover page

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it's right there man

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the cover page is redacted

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now

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uh

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00:26:11,909 --> 00:26:10,720
okay okay let me just talk about this

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for a second i'm gonna give you an

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example i will also uh

488
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be speaking to sean cahill tonight about

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this but the report itself is heavily

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redacted

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with seven pages according to my count

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basically blacked out

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i'm not joking

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but

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00:26:38,710 --> 00:26:36,480
that doesn't mean

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that there isn't some interesting

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reading there

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because

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there is a lot of stuff

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and yes it's certainly worth it

501
00:26:51,350 --> 00:26:48,880
and you've got to check it out for sure

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00:26:53,830 --> 00:26:51,360
just head over to the black vault um

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it's up throughout social media

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and

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download

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00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,400
now

507
00:27:07,909 --> 00:27:03,120
how do we get to this report

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00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:07,919
the redactions and the things that we

509
00:27:13,350 --> 00:27:10,559
have to deal with okay yeah inconvenient

510
00:27:16,870 --> 00:27:13,360
it sucks what was actually there

511
00:27:18,830 --> 00:27:16,880
um uh yeah okay i get that but how did

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we get to this

513
00:27:24,230 --> 00:27:21,520
report if we go back and i'm just going

514
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to say the the dastardly words of

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hillary clinton

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if you remember um

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when hillary was on man was it david

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letterman

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or jimmy kimmel

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was uh

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letterman was already off the air must

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have been jimmy kimmel i could be right

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i was probably jimmy kimmel

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and she says it's not ufos anymore it's

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uaps you know get with it man and uh i

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00:27:51,669 --> 00:27:50,559
don't think she's done but it's uaps

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and

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00:27:55,750 --> 00:27:54,080
you know going back that far where uap

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started to come in and it was in the

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condom report that came out of the uk

531
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and uaps were there and you know we're

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00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:02,960
going it's way bi you know before ttsa

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00:28:09,190 --> 00:28:05,440
and everything else started but but uaps

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right and and suddenly

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00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:13,039
uaps are in fashion ufos are in fashion

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00:28:18,630 --> 00:28:14,640
and now

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this report right now go and read it

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00:28:24,149 --> 00:28:22,480
because it is spectacular

539
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:24,159
seriously

540
00:28:31,110 --> 00:28:27,360
how did we get here

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00:28:36,950 --> 00:28:35,029
what is the redaction in this report

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00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:36,960
how important is it

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00:28:41,830 --> 00:28:38,720
well check this out

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00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:41,840
and i've got up uh right here in front

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00:28:47,430 --> 00:28:45,600
of me uh page number six

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00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,440
you can grab any page

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00:28:52,549 --> 00:28:49,679
it's gonna have the same thing but you

548
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:52,559
have uh here is

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00:28:56,389 --> 00:28:53,919
an example

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00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,399
right here

551
00:29:03,269 --> 00:28:58,080
redaction

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00:29:06,310 --> 00:29:03,279
a navy pilot in an

553
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,320
redaction redaction redaction

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00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:08,559
in altitude

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00:29:13,190 --> 00:29:11,279
he noted the winds aloft were greater

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than redacted

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00:29:18,870 --> 00:29:16,159
and he was fighting to keep his aircraft

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00:29:21,750 --> 00:29:18,880
in the airspace redacted

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00:29:23,669 --> 00:29:21,760
was redacted and his position was

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unaffected by the

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00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:27,840
redacted the pilot redacted redacted

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00:29:34,310 --> 00:29:31,200
redacted redacted object was redacted

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redacted redacted redacted

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redacted

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but then appeared

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00:29:51,110 --> 00:29:47,039
in in change course and speed redacted

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00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:51,120
from redacted redacted in redacted a uap

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00:29:56,549 --> 00:29:53,279
exhibited redacted

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00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:56,559
redacted according to redacted

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00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:59,919
the uap task force has redacted

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00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:01,760
additional reports of the aircraft

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00:30:06,830 --> 00:30:04,799
including redacted redacted that appear

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00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,840
to be

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00:30:11,350 --> 00:30:08,399
redacted

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00:30:13,110 --> 00:30:11,360
that's one paragraph

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00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,120
it's just

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00:30:19,990 --> 00:30:15,679
you know and uh

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00:30:24,310 --> 00:30:21,350
it's uh

579
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,320
it's it's it's it's it's a situation

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00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:26,480
where and if you go to

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uh

582
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according to the aircraft recorded shows

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the object redacted redacted a 2004 uap

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event reportedly demonstrated redacted

585
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redacted redacted redacted according to

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a u.s navy reporting during redacted

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uh hours in redacted a helicopter pilot

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and two weapon systems officers

589
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visually observed several redacted

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objects moving approximately redacted

591
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redacted redacted one of the wsos

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redacted rejected

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approximately redacted redacted five

594
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redacted

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what are you gonna do

596
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but it is fascinating reading and thank

597
00:31:40,870 --> 00:31:39,039
you john greenwald for all of you

598
00:31:43,029 --> 00:31:40,880
there's much more to come from john in

599
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:43,039
the black vault but uh getting this out

600
00:31:47,110 --> 00:31:44,559
there and getting this in the public and

601
00:31:48,710 --> 00:31:47,120
will we see a more unredacted version i

602
00:31:51,029 --> 00:31:48,720
certainly hope so

603
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:51,039
thank you john greenwald this is fade to

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black i am your host jimmy church

605
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tonight sean cahill joins us for the

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first time he's going to be right with

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us after this short break we're going to

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be talking about this report uaps

609
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skyford and beyond tomorrow night's

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another fader night with open lines all

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all right welcome back fade to black i'm

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your host jimmy church first time guest

710
00:37:15,670 --> 00:37:13,200
this week times two two weeks in a row

711
00:37:17,190 --> 00:37:15,680
tonight batting cleanup sean cahill

712
00:37:18,870 --> 00:37:17,200
joins us for the first time we're gonna

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be covering everything tonight we've got

714
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a lot

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breaking news too

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but uh

717
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:27,599
we're gonna do everything current on the

718
00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,240
subject of uaps

719
00:37:35,430 --> 00:37:32,320
and i promise

720
00:37:37,990 --> 00:37:35,440
i'm gonna get an explanation

721
00:37:39,670 --> 00:37:38,000
of skyford what the heck

722
00:37:41,829 --> 00:37:39,680
we're gonna go into that uh we're gonna

723
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:41,839
discuss our skies and beyond all of that

724
00:37:45,270 --> 00:37:42,720
tonight

725
00:37:48,790 --> 00:37:45,280
chief cahill served in the united states

726
00:37:50,870 --> 00:37:48,800
navy from 1995 to 2015. he was entrusted

727
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:50,880
with critical missions spanning

728
00:37:55,670 --> 00:37:54,320
anti-terrorism anti-piracy interrogation

729
00:37:57,990 --> 00:37:55,680
interrogation

730
00:38:00,630 --> 00:37:58,000
and investigations chief cahill retired

731
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:00,640
from the united states navy in 2015 he

732
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,680
is a co-founder and strategic advisor

733
00:38:07,510 --> 00:38:06,320
for skyfort

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00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,520
yeah

735
00:38:12,870 --> 00:38:09,200
a think tank

736
00:38:15,270 --> 00:38:12,880
allegedly had a tech incubator working

737
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:15,280
on uap studies and awareness and that

738
00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:17,359
just is shifty from the word go i can't

739
00:38:21,910 --> 00:38:19,040
wait to find out about this tonight the

740
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:21,920
websites minty hyperspace.com and

741
00:38:25,990 --> 00:38:23,839
skyfort.org

742
00:38:27,910 --> 00:38:26,000
are all over jimmychurchradio.com and

743
00:38:29,190 --> 00:38:27,920
throughout social media and now i would

744
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,200
like to welcome for the first time to

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00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,680
fade to black chief

746
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,119
sean cahill

747
00:38:38,069 --> 00:38:35,359
good evening jimmy good evening sir how

748
00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,079
are you man i'm well man it's uh great

749
00:38:42,630 --> 00:38:40,800
to finally have you here and uh but

750
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,640
before we get started you get the first

751
00:38:47,670 --> 00:38:45,440
time guest disclaimer so let's get that

752
00:38:49,750 --> 00:38:47,680
out of the way which is

753
00:38:52,230 --> 00:38:49,760
sean it's just

754
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:52,240
wait wait wait wait am i doing sean

755
00:38:57,190 --> 00:38:54,960
tonight or am i doing chief

756
00:38:59,510 --> 00:38:57,200
oh no it's sean okay

757
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:59,520
chief is still on the boat okay okay way

758
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,880
back in the past you have to understand

759
00:39:04,710 --> 00:39:02,880
it's called respect okay sean

760
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,720
it's just you and i sitting on my couch

761
00:39:08,470 --> 00:39:06,720
having a conversation as friends and

762
00:39:10,390 --> 00:39:08,480
where that conversation starts it starts

763
00:39:12,950 --> 00:39:10,400
where it ends it ends but we're gonna

764
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:12,960
end his friends there you go i like that

765
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:15,520
yeah we got that out of the way um i'm

766
00:39:19,990 --> 00:39:18,640
actually going to start here

767
00:39:21,990 --> 00:39:20,000
i don't uh

768
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:22,000
i don't know if you know this

769
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,880
i

770
00:39:26,870 --> 00:39:24,400
was born

771
00:39:28,550 --> 00:39:26,880
at great lakes naval station

772
00:39:31,589 --> 00:39:28,560
oh wow yeah

773
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,599
did you did you take any classes there

774
00:39:35,270 --> 00:39:33,760
which naval station you cut out right

775
00:39:39,030 --> 00:39:35,280
great lakes

776
00:39:41,190 --> 00:39:39,040
and i attended apprenticeship training

777
00:39:42,790 --> 00:39:41,200
uh at the naval tech or naval training

778
00:39:45,589 --> 00:39:42,800
center uh right next to the recruit

779
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,599
training depot yeah yeah yeah now did

780
00:39:50,069 --> 00:39:47,520
that that kind of tripped you out when

781
00:39:51,750 --> 00:39:50,079
was the last radio host

782
00:39:54,069 --> 00:39:51,760
that told you that they were born at

783
00:39:56,390 --> 00:39:54,079
great lakes naval station oh you're the

784
00:40:00,310 --> 00:39:56,400
first one man definitely the first one

785
00:40:02,390 --> 00:40:00,320
and uh uh i'm a military brat and we

786
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:02,400
lived at fort sheridan

787
00:40:08,069 --> 00:40:05,119
uh which is inactive now but uh just uh

788
00:40:10,390 --> 00:40:08,079
south of uh they they practically touch

789
00:40:12,950 --> 00:40:10,400
great lakes and and fort sheridan but

790
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:12,960
fort sheridan didn't have a hospital

791
00:40:18,470 --> 00:40:16,079
so all of us kids

792
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:18,480
were born up at great lakes uh naval

793
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:21,200
station so there you go um but uh that's

794
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:22,400
where all the that's where all the

795
00:40:29,589 --> 00:40:26,000
secret boot camp training goes on and

796
00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:29,599
so there you go so um before we get to

797
00:40:34,390 --> 00:40:32,160
the navy uh which we're going to spend a

798
00:40:37,510 --> 00:40:34,400
lot of time tonight on of course

799
00:40:38,390 --> 00:40:37,520
um tell me about your childhood though

800
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:38,400
and

801
00:40:42,790 --> 00:40:40,240
did you have

802
00:40:44,950 --> 00:40:42,800
did you know what ufos were

803
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,960
did you have an interest in the it

804
00:40:49,750 --> 00:40:48,000
wasn't uaps back then right so

805
00:40:51,270 --> 00:40:49,760
yeah you know interestingly enough i've

806
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:51,280
been interested in this i have been

807
00:40:55,349 --> 00:40:52,960
interested in the subject my whole life

808
00:40:56,870 --> 00:40:55,359
um when i was a kid i was one of those

809
00:40:59,349 --> 00:40:56,880
kids who wandered into the library and

810
00:41:01,670 --> 00:40:59,359
found this one book that had um i think

811
00:41:04,150 --> 00:41:01,680
a picture of bigfoot on it the loch ness

812
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:04,160
monster and maybe like a ufo with a

813
00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,720
spike on top and

814
00:41:09,829 --> 00:41:08,160
if you were able to go back to that

815
00:41:11,589 --> 00:41:09,839
elementary school library you'd see my

816
00:41:13,030 --> 00:41:11,599
name written in that thing over and over

817
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:13,040
again so yeah i

818
00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:14,800
i was into the stuff and always looking

819
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:18,079
up at the sky and interested

820
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,599
in the years since you know being

821
00:41:23,190 --> 00:41:21,359
involved in this more deeply obviously

822
00:41:24,630 --> 00:41:23,200
we take this very seriously

823
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,640
looking back it would seem that i

824
00:41:28,790 --> 00:41:26,720
probably had more experiences than i was

825
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:28,800
really um

826
00:41:31,990 --> 00:41:30,400
really admitting at the time you know

827
00:41:33,910 --> 00:41:32,000
i've always been a person who found the

828
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,920
uh found the prosaic experience and then

829
00:41:37,270 --> 00:41:35,440
just kept moving on you know there's

830
00:41:38,870 --> 00:41:37,280
another side to the coin but you got to

831
00:41:40,069 --> 00:41:38,880
give it that real life explanation and

832
00:41:42,870 --> 00:41:40,079
keep moving

833
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,880
um but i i grew up in the bay area

834
00:41:47,829 --> 00:41:44,880
around san francisco uh just south in a

835
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:47,839
little town called hillsborough

836
00:41:52,069 --> 00:41:49,599
my father was a world war ii veteran he

837
00:41:53,670 --> 00:41:52,079
was a waste gunner and radio operator uh

838
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:53,680
on b17s

839
00:41:57,990 --> 00:41:57,119
um in the conflict over in uh europe

840
00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:58,000
uh

841
00:42:01,430 --> 00:41:59,359
was involved in bombing missions

842
00:42:03,829 --> 00:42:01,440
employees and peanut mooned

843
00:42:05,510 --> 00:42:03,839
and was actually a foo fighter witness

844
00:42:07,990 --> 00:42:05,520
i was honored to write the forward for

845
00:42:09,670 --> 00:42:08,000
graham randall's book on foo fighters

846
00:42:13,349 --> 00:42:09,680
and mention my father's sightings in

847
00:42:17,030 --> 00:42:15,190
that when when i came on the scene i was

848
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,040
the youngest of eight kids

849
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:19,119
um so it was much much later we had

850
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:20,800
moved to california my father was a

851
00:42:24,550 --> 00:42:22,319
businessman at that point had spent

852
00:42:26,069 --> 00:42:24,560
years working for various companies like

853
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,079
dupont and others

854
00:42:29,589 --> 00:42:28,720
um in textiles and in uh

855
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:29,599
in

856
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,960
chemicals and textiles yeah um

857
00:42:39,430 --> 00:42:36,720
but uh mom died when i was seven on

858
00:42:41,430 --> 00:42:39,440
christmas eve um so that did a lot to

859
00:42:43,430 --> 00:42:41,440
form my uh

860
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:43,440
a lot of uh

861
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,200
anti-spiritual feeling that led to a lot

862
00:42:51,670 --> 00:42:49,760
of searching you know i was i was that

863
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:51,680
that made me angry when i was seven and

864
00:42:55,750 --> 00:42:53,520
i think for a great deal of my life i

865
00:42:58,069 --> 00:42:55,760
was angry at god so instead of just

866
00:42:59,910 --> 00:42:58,079
accepting uh my family's religion or

867
00:43:02,150 --> 00:42:59,920
something that was attractive i i tried

868
00:43:03,430 --> 00:43:02,160
to seek out everything about all of them

869
00:43:04,950 --> 00:43:03,440
to try to find something that was going

870
00:43:06,470 --> 00:43:04,960
to explain

871
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:06,480
to a seven-year-old why he had to give

872
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,319
up his mom on christmas eve

873
00:43:12,550 --> 00:43:09,839
um

874
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:12,560
so that that paints a different view of

875
00:43:16,230 --> 00:43:14,000
spiritualism for somebody when they're

876
00:43:20,710 --> 00:43:16,240
searching like that inspector

877
00:43:22,470 --> 00:43:20,720
and was this was this in san francisco

878
00:43:24,550 --> 00:43:22,480
yeah mom uh

879
00:43:26,069 --> 00:43:24,560
mom got sick a few days before christmas

880
00:43:28,710 --> 00:43:26,079
um it was complications due to

881
00:43:29,910 --> 00:43:28,720
alcoholism and uh cirrhosis

882
00:43:32,390 --> 00:43:29,920
um

883
00:43:33,990 --> 00:43:32,400
i'm pretty sure it was a hemorrhage uh

884
00:43:35,990 --> 00:43:34,000
that that eventually

885
00:43:38,230 --> 00:43:36,000
uh happened in her esophagus but yeah

886
00:43:40,150 --> 00:43:38,240
this was in san francisco and uh she was

887
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,160
on i think she was passed in mills

888
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,480
hospital actually so that that's a very

889
00:43:47,589 --> 00:43:44,800
surreal week for me it well and it's

890
00:43:49,510 --> 00:43:47,599
also uh you know well at the age of

891
00:43:52,390 --> 00:43:49,520
seven it may be a little bit different

892
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:52,400
but as you're growing up and you're on a

893
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,240
spiritual quest and and having questions

894
00:44:00,870 --> 00:43:58,000
that's certainly the right city to go

895
00:44:03,270 --> 00:44:00,880
and try to find some answers

896
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:03,280
yeah most certainly um

897
00:44:08,230 --> 00:44:06,319
i was very into uh into into uh when i

898
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:08,240
was young into martial arts and eastern

899
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:10,640
philosophy um it's not a surprise that

900
00:44:14,309 --> 00:44:12,319
when i finally got out of the military i

901
00:44:16,710 --> 00:44:14,319
kind of dipped back into uh buddhism and

902
00:44:19,349 --> 00:44:16,720
other things like that i was really

903
00:44:20,790 --> 00:44:19,359
interested in them when i was younger um

904
00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:20,800
but i would have to say the majority of

905
00:44:25,109 --> 00:44:22,319
my time in the military the 20 years i

906
00:44:27,030 --> 00:44:25,119
spent there i was probably more of a uh

907
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,040
a sam harris

908
00:44:31,510 --> 00:44:28,800
kind of card

909
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:31,520
uh intellectual militant jackass atheist

910
00:44:35,109 --> 00:44:33,040
to be honest with you you know i was i

911
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:35,119
was ready to throw down with anybody

912
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:37,599
right right can we talk about sam harris

913
00:44:40,470 --> 00:44:39,520
for a second sure

914
00:44:42,710 --> 00:44:40,480
um

915
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:42,720
he is somebody

916
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:48,640
that i have a huge amount of interest in

917
00:44:52,309 --> 00:44:50,800
but it may not be for the reasons that

918
00:44:55,349 --> 00:44:52,319
you think

919
00:44:58,230 --> 00:44:55,359
um i agree

920
00:45:00,710 --> 00:44:58,240
with some of his stuff i do

921
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:00,720
probably about half

922
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:05,520
but what he does make me do is think and

923
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,079
then certainly yeah and just pursue my

924
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:10,880
own interest because there are times i

925
00:45:14,309 --> 00:45:12,640
just want to grab him by the throat and

926
00:45:15,430 --> 00:45:14,319
just shake him

927
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:15,440
i have to give him a great deal of

928
00:45:19,190 --> 00:45:17,440
credit because um i feel this i actually

929
00:45:21,109 --> 00:45:19,200
feel exactly the same way you do

930
00:45:21,990 --> 00:45:21,119
possibly for a different reason

931
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:22,000
um

932
00:45:25,510 --> 00:45:23,520
you know his politic our political

933
00:45:27,829 --> 00:45:25,520
ideologies and how we feel about human

934
00:45:30,150 --> 00:45:27,839
psychology differ a little bit

935
00:45:31,990 --> 00:45:30,160
when it comes to meditation i find his

936
00:45:33,829 --> 00:45:32,000
ability to go as deep as he does and

937
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,839
remain completely secular almost

938
00:45:37,670 --> 00:45:36,240
frustrating but at the same time i

939
00:45:39,589 --> 00:45:37,680
really admire it because in a lot of

940
00:45:42,069 --> 00:45:39,599
ways that's what that's how i kind of

941
00:45:44,150 --> 00:45:42,079
view uap studies and things like that i

942
00:45:46,870 --> 00:45:44,160
shouldn't be telling you

943
00:45:48,870 --> 00:45:46,880
what you're go you know what to think i

944
00:45:51,109 --> 00:45:48,880
want to tell you how to get to the place

945
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:51,119
where you can arrive at the own answer

946
00:45:54,150 --> 00:45:52,560
at your own answers yourself and i

947
00:45:55,990 --> 00:45:54,160
admire sam for doing that but at the

948
00:45:57,349 --> 00:45:56,000
same time i want to shake him by the

949
00:45:59,510 --> 00:45:57,359
head i want to know what he's what have

950
00:46:02,309 --> 00:45:59,520
you experienced what if you know what's

951
00:46:04,470 --> 00:46:02,319
beyond that yeah you know because he

952
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:04,480
wants to project

953
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:07,040
okay let's stay on sam here this is a

954
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,000
great

955
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:10,160
turn of a conversation i didn't expect

956
00:46:14,390 --> 00:46:11,280
this tonight

957
00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:14,400
so and this is a live show this is this

958
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:16,400
is how this is how a conversation

959
00:46:21,109 --> 00:46:17,599
happens

960
00:46:23,270 --> 00:46:21,119
here's the deal with sam harris

961
00:46:24,069 --> 00:46:23,280
there are times

962
00:46:27,270 --> 00:46:24,079
where

963
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:27,280
he goes completely spiritual and

964
00:46:30,470 --> 00:46:29,119
metaphysical

965
00:46:32,710 --> 00:46:30,480
completely

966
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:32,720
but his audience

967
00:46:38,230 --> 00:46:34,480
is atheist

968
00:46:39,829 --> 00:46:38,240
and therefore he cannot alienate

969
00:46:41,910 --> 00:46:39,839
his audience he's got one of the biggest

970
00:46:45,349 --> 00:46:41,920
followings out there period and they

971
00:46:47,589 --> 00:46:45,359
listen to every word so he is constantly

972
00:46:49,670 --> 00:46:47,599
dipping his toes

973
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:49,680
you know into both waters but pulling

974
00:46:56,230 --> 00:46:53,359
himself back and i often wonder sean i'm

975
00:46:59,589 --> 00:46:56,240
sure if you get him alone

976
00:47:02,069 --> 00:46:59,599
right where he doesn't have to entertain

977
00:47:04,069 --> 00:47:02,079
where's that conversation going

978
00:47:06,630 --> 00:47:04,079
that would fascinate me too because i

979
00:47:07,670 --> 00:47:06,640
think we all know that um

980
00:47:09,510 --> 00:47:07,680
you know when you're dealing with

981
00:47:11,430 --> 00:47:09,520
subjects that that

982
00:47:13,829 --> 00:47:11,440
that have a portion of it that is based

983
00:47:14,950 --> 00:47:13,839
in anecdotal personal experience or that

984
00:47:17,750 --> 00:47:14,960
is based in

985
00:47:21,030 --> 00:47:17,760
in um human growth and personal growth

986
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,040
and morals and and self-concern yes

987
00:47:25,589 --> 00:47:23,680
absolutely that's a spiritual thing he

988
00:47:27,589 --> 00:47:25,599
went to the edge of the cliff and took a

989
00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:27,599
peek man yeah

990
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:30,160
yeah i agree and i but i think i think

991
00:47:32,950 --> 00:47:31,440
we have to give him credit though

992
00:47:35,910 --> 00:47:32,960
because

993
00:47:38,390 --> 00:47:35,920
we all take very seriously and our our

994
00:47:40,150 --> 00:47:38,400
offense button is hair trigger when it

995
00:47:41,829 --> 00:47:40,160
comes to another human being telling us

996
00:47:44,309 --> 00:47:41,839
that they've experienced an aspect of

997
00:47:46,150 --> 00:47:44,319
reality that we're not as familiar with

998
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:46,160
and if we even sense that they're

999
00:47:49,349 --> 00:47:47,760
talking down to us we'll throw them

1000
00:47:52,150 --> 00:47:49,359
right out with the bathwater that's

1001
00:47:54,630 --> 00:47:52,160
right that's right that's right and but

1002
00:47:57,270 --> 00:47:54,640
and and here's the confusing thing he's

1003
00:47:59,190 --> 00:47:57,280
like a walking paradox man

1004
00:48:00,309 --> 00:47:59,200
if you think about this

1005
00:48:05,030 --> 00:48:00,319
he

1006
00:48:08,870 --> 00:48:05,040
black and white right you have no free

1007
00:48:10,230 --> 00:48:08,880
will right okay so we we know this uh

1008
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,240
about sean

1009
00:48:15,030 --> 00:48:12,559
but uh the flip side

1010
00:48:17,030 --> 00:48:15,040
he is constantly talking about

1011
00:48:20,630 --> 00:48:17,040
consciousness and what it is

1012
00:48:24,230 --> 00:48:20,640
he's constantly talking about uh aliens

1013
00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:24,240
and ufos and things visiting this planet

1014
00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,240
and he is

1015
00:48:31,349 --> 00:48:28,720
definitely open-minded

1016
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:31,359
with all of these things

1017
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,559
but

1018
00:48:37,349 --> 00:48:35,119
we're just chemicals right and you know

1019
00:48:38,950 --> 00:48:37,359
he'll always pull back and

1020
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:38,960
and go back to the

1021
00:48:44,390 --> 00:48:41,839
these these science principles and and

1022
00:48:46,069 --> 00:48:44,400
the hard sciences i'm not sure and i

1023
00:48:47,750 --> 00:48:46,079
think i think you're hitting on the same

1024
00:48:49,510 --> 00:48:47,760
thing i'm not sure if sam is leaning

1025
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:49,520
towards contrarianism or if he's

1026
00:48:53,670 --> 00:48:52,480
protecting himself in that way or i i

1027
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,680
want to give him a little credit though

1028
00:48:58,069 --> 00:48:55,680
because he's in a lot of ways he's

1029
00:49:01,510 --> 00:48:58,079
walking the buddhist middle path

1030
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:01,520
he is he is walking that path that says

1031
00:49:05,109 --> 00:49:03,520
you know i i will have no attachment and

1032
00:49:07,589 --> 00:49:05,119
that attack that lack of attachment

1033
00:49:08,950 --> 00:49:07,599
through naming or or through you know

1034
00:49:11,510 --> 00:49:08,960
giving um

1035
00:49:13,030 --> 00:49:11,520
worship to something i i have to respect

1036
00:49:15,109 --> 00:49:13,040
that so i do too

1037
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:15,119
he's he's a professional that's for sure

1038
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:17,760
because if we can't tell what he's doing

1039
00:49:20,710 --> 00:49:19,200
and he's got all of us listening he's

1040
00:49:22,390 --> 00:49:20,720
doing the right thing

1041
00:49:25,190 --> 00:49:22,400
there is uh

1042
00:49:27,750 --> 00:49:25,200
uh i have listened to this probably and

1043
00:49:29,589 --> 00:49:27,760
i'm not kidding

1044
00:49:32,549 --> 00:49:29,599
50 times

1045
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:32,559
there is a four hour

1046
00:49:36,950 --> 00:49:35,680
sam harris presentation on artificial

1047
00:49:39,430 --> 00:49:36,960
intelligence

1048
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:39,440
right it's and and and and i have

1049
00:49:45,190 --> 00:49:42,240
listened to that presentation

1050
00:49:47,349 --> 00:49:45,200
so many times it is so inside it's old

1051
00:49:49,430 --> 00:49:47,359
now i mean it's been out for

1052
00:49:51,670 --> 00:49:49,440
for years and years and years and it

1053
00:49:54,309 --> 00:49:51,680
shows me a side of him i've just got the

1054
00:49:55,829 --> 00:49:54,319
maddest of respect but i still just want

1055
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:55,839
to shake him man

1056
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:58,559
yeah

1057
00:50:01,990 --> 00:50:00,160
there are times okay we're going to move

1058
00:50:05,349 --> 00:50:02,000
on we're going to get to uaps folks i

1059
00:50:06,870 --> 00:50:05,359
promise um there i i swear there are

1060
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:06,880
moments i'll be listening to sam i'm

1061
00:50:10,710 --> 00:50:08,800
like okay he's going to do it

1062
00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:10,720
he's going to do it he's going spiritual

1063
00:50:14,790 --> 00:50:13,280
here it comes its consciousness is

1064
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:14,800
coming here

1065
00:50:19,109 --> 00:50:16,960
and then then he pulls us back

1066
00:50:21,109 --> 00:50:19,119
yeah i think you know what i'll i'll

1067
00:50:24,150 --> 00:50:21,119
i'll bust his chops a little i'm he's a

1068
00:50:25,750 --> 00:50:24,160
giant to me um but but yeah sometimes

1069
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:25,760
that's his that seems like is that your

1070
00:50:29,349 --> 00:50:27,520
stick man you're gonna you know i know

1071
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:29,359
hey you could say the same about about

1072
00:50:33,349 --> 00:50:31,520
uap studies and ufology you know

1073
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:33,359
combined you know we've got a lot of

1074
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,440
folks that are that are always promising

1075
00:50:39,510 --> 00:50:37,839
and hoping and got a lot of info and and

1076
00:50:41,270 --> 00:50:39,520
hey you might accuse me of being one of

1077
00:50:43,109 --> 00:50:41,280
those people tonight but but we'll live

1078
00:50:45,670 --> 00:50:43,119
through it man yeah you know what i mean

1079
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:45,680
yeah and so

1080
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:46,960
let's uh

1081
00:50:51,270 --> 00:50:50,160
let let's talk about this for a second

1082
00:50:52,710 --> 00:50:51,280
your

1083
00:50:54,549 --> 00:50:52,720
gig

1084
00:50:57,109 --> 00:50:54,559
in the navy

1085
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:57,119
when we get to things like you know

1086
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:00,720
anti-terrorism and uh and piracy and

1087
00:51:07,430 --> 00:51:03,839
interrogation and investigations that

1088
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:07,440
alludes to a suggestion of

1089
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:08,720
you know uh

1090
00:51:11,510 --> 00:51:09,839
uh

1091
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,520
an agent

1092
00:51:15,990 --> 00:51:13,520
you know under that classification what

1093
00:51:20,470 --> 00:51:16,000
no don't react i'm just saying that sure

1094
00:51:22,950 --> 00:51:20,480
it it it's feeling that way you're not

1095
00:51:26,150 --> 00:51:22,960
the captain of a ship right you're not

1096
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:26,160
swabbing the decks you're doing other

1097
00:51:33,030 --> 00:51:29,920
stuff that is involved in a very very

1098
00:51:34,230 --> 00:51:33,040
dark uh clandestine world

1099
00:51:37,910 --> 00:51:34,240
right

1100
00:51:39,589 --> 00:51:37,920
there's there's a there's a hollywood

1101
00:51:40,870 --> 00:51:39,599
picture that was painted across that not

1102
00:51:44,309 --> 00:51:40,880
to bust your chops but words like

1103
00:51:45,829 --> 00:51:44,319
clandestine uh and dark in this regard

1104
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:45,839
have a great deal of meaning and there's

1105
00:51:49,349 --> 00:51:47,520
nothing there was never anything

1106
00:51:51,589 --> 00:51:49,359
clandestine about my job i was the law

1107
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:51,599
enforcement official on board the ships

1108
00:51:56,069 --> 00:51:52,720
so those

1109
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,079
those um singular attributes

1110
00:51:59,910 --> 00:51:57,839
of a full-spectrum law enforcement

1111
00:52:02,069 --> 00:51:59,920
officer that deploys for six months and

1112
00:52:04,950 --> 00:52:02,079
has to cover has to wear many hats and

1113
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:04,960
cover a great deal of um

1114
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,839
warfare areas you know for example being

1115
00:52:10,549 --> 00:52:09,200
a law enforcement officer i wouldn't

1116
00:52:11,670 --> 00:52:10,559
normally be up on the bridge of the

1117
00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,680
princeton where i was when we

1118
00:52:15,030 --> 00:52:13,599
encountered the tic tac that was

1119
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:15,040
actually a favorite of my department

1120
00:52:18,069 --> 00:52:16,400
head who happened to be the the

1121
00:52:20,470 --> 00:52:18,079
navigator plus something that was going

1122
00:52:22,630 --> 00:52:20,480
to help my numbers so to speak to

1123
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:22,640
compete because we were a platform that

1124
00:52:26,470 --> 00:52:24,800
was most focused with putting missiles

1125
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,480
on target no one really gave a darn

1126
00:52:30,790 --> 00:52:28,160
about what the law enforcement officer

1127
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,800
was going to do you know competitively

1128
00:52:34,390 --> 00:52:32,880
so um when you look at something like

1129
00:52:36,150 --> 00:52:34,400
interrogation

1130
00:52:38,069 --> 00:52:36,160
that's what we call it when we interview

1131
00:52:39,829 --> 00:52:38,079
a subject you know when a law

1132
00:52:43,190 --> 00:52:39,839
enforcement officer brings in a suspect

1133
00:52:45,589 --> 00:52:43,200
he does interview and interrogation um

1134
00:52:47,109 --> 00:52:45,599
and when you look at anti-piracy

1135
00:52:48,790 --> 00:52:47,119
i as a law enforcement officer i was

1136
00:52:51,589 --> 00:52:48,800
chosen to lead a boarding team of

1137
00:52:52,950 --> 00:52:51,599
non-compliant boarding officers um

1138
00:52:54,950 --> 00:52:52,960
you know in the northern arabian gulf

1139
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:54,960
doing anti-piracy missions now we were

1140
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:57,200
picking up special warfare and socom

1141
00:53:01,270 --> 00:52:59,839
missions we had actually our crew from

1142
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,280
princeton and the crew from the john

1143
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:03,200
paul jones were actually selected for a

1144
00:53:06,230 --> 00:53:05,280
pilot program which became

1145
00:53:08,390 --> 00:53:06,240
um

1146
00:53:10,390 --> 00:53:08,400
standard but we were trained by folks

1147
00:53:13,030 --> 00:53:10,400
that were coming that former um former

1148
00:53:15,270 --> 00:53:13,040
seals and blackwater folks trained us to

1149
00:53:17,990 --> 00:53:15,280
do the job that the special warfare

1150
00:53:19,670 --> 00:53:18,000
operators had been doing in anti-piracy

1151
00:53:21,829 --> 00:53:19,680
and drug interdiction and things like

1152
00:53:23,430 --> 00:53:21,839
that but had become overwhelmed with

1153
00:53:25,030 --> 00:53:23,440
during the course of the war so they had

1154
00:53:28,390 --> 00:53:25,040
to peel that off and give it to what we

1155
00:53:29,510 --> 00:53:28,400
call blue water navy so i'm a most folks

1156
00:53:31,270 --> 00:53:29,520
who are in the navy would go he was a

1157
00:53:33,109 --> 00:53:31,280
master at arms he didn't do anything

1158
00:53:34,950 --> 00:53:33,119
squirrely um

1159
00:53:37,510 --> 00:53:34,960
so yeah they were the guy

1160
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:37,520
you were the guy that threw kevin day in

1161
00:53:41,109 --> 00:53:38,960
the brig

1162
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:41,119
no no no we didn't have it number one

1163
00:53:45,030 --> 00:53:42,720
kevin day was the senior chief petty

1164
00:53:47,109 --> 00:53:45,040
officer he outranked me uh kevin was

1165
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:47,119
kevin's was my friend right and my

1166
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:49,520
colleague no and we did not have a brig

1167
00:53:52,790 --> 00:53:52,079
on the uh on the princeton

1168
00:53:54,230 --> 00:53:52,800
so

1169
00:53:55,270 --> 00:53:54,240
um

1170
00:53:56,470 --> 00:53:55,280
the

1171
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:56,480
uh

1172
00:53:58,150 --> 00:53:57,359
the

1173
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:58,160
i'm

1174
00:54:01,829 --> 00:53:59,920
staying on

1175
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,839
the tic tac incident and then we're

1176
00:54:05,109 --> 00:54:03,760
gonna branch out but but staying there

1177
00:54:06,309 --> 00:54:05,119
for a second

1178
00:54:09,190 --> 00:54:06,319
i have

1179
00:54:10,549 --> 00:54:09,200
uh asked oh oh before i ask this

1180
00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,559
question

1181
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:13,040
are you bound

1182
00:54:19,510 --> 00:54:17,280
by any oath or nda or anything now are

1183
00:54:21,670 --> 00:54:19,520
you free to answer questions i never

1184
00:54:23,030 --> 00:54:21,680
signed an nda of any kind when i was on

1185
00:54:25,670 --> 00:54:23,040
active duty

1186
00:54:27,589 --> 00:54:25,680
i'm not bound by any oath that i'm aware

1187
00:54:30,549 --> 00:54:27,599
of beyond to my wife and my children my

1188
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,559
friends right um

1189
00:54:34,790 --> 00:54:32,400
but i would have i have to say that i

1190
00:54:37,030 --> 00:54:34,800
have signed an nda

1191
00:54:38,950 --> 00:54:37,040
while working on this subject

1192
00:54:42,150 --> 00:54:38,960
while speaking to a person who had

1193
00:54:45,109 --> 00:54:42,160
activity on their property and got to a

1194
00:54:46,950 --> 00:54:45,119
point where they wanted they wanted some

1195
00:54:48,630 --> 00:54:46,960
kind of protection about me talking you

1196
00:54:50,549 --> 00:54:48,640
know want to make sure their identity

1197
00:54:52,150 --> 00:54:50,559
wasn't going to be released

1198
00:54:54,549 --> 00:54:52,160
etc where people weren't going to start

1199
00:54:56,230 --> 00:54:54,559
coming to their property and they didn't

1200
00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:56,240
want to engage with the subject anymore

1201
00:55:00,549 --> 00:54:58,240
so they asked me to sign an nda and i

1202
00:55:02,390 --> 00:55:00,559
did and so i protect that person's

1203
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:02,400
identity and their and the information

1204
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:03,839
around them but that's the only

1205
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:05,200
non-disclosure agreement i've ever

1206
00:55:10,309 --> 00:55:07,440
signed in my life okay so no

1207
00:55:13,670 --> 00:55:10,319
jeopardizing of a security clearance or

1208
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:13,680
anything else and okay so no okay now

1209
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:15,839
going back to

1210
00:55:19,670 --> 00:55:18,960
the tic tac incident

1211
00:55:22,950 --> 00:55:19,680
it

1212
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:24,150
from

1213
00:55:27,990 --> 00:55:26,480
let's go with the the rear admiral or

1214
00:55:30,150 --> 00:55:28,000
the admiral of the fleet you know

1215
00:55:31,270 --> 00:55:30,160
whoever was on the nimitz commander

1216
00:55:33,829 --> 00:55:31,280
carguru

1217
00:55:34,950 --> 00:55:33,839
commander carrier strike group 11 yeah

1218
00:55:38,230 --> 00:55:34,960
okay

1219
00:55:41,670 --> 00:55:38,240
there had to have been a thick incident

1220
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:41,680
report written up of everything that was

1221
00:55:46,789 --> 00:55:44,799
there and i would have assumed that that

1222
00:55:48,630 --> 00:55:46,799
would have made its way

1223
00:55:51,030 --> 00:55:48,640
to the oval office

1224
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:51,040
or at least

1225
00:55:55,190 --> 00:55:53,440
to dry land

1226
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:55,200
i like where you ended with the dry land

1227
00:55:59,829 --> 00:55:57,920
part i agree up to the oval office

1228
00:56:01,349 --> 00:55:59,839
that's really i think as we've learned a

1229
00:56:03,109 --> 00:56:01,359
question of who took the who would take

1230
00:56:05,910 --> 00:56:03,119
this seriously who didn't how is it

1231
00:56:07,750 --> 00:56:05,920
reported right and what conduits existed

1232
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:07,760
but i agree with you um what's called a

1233
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,160
misrep and a sit or and or a sit rep

1234
00:56:16,870 --> 00:56:12,160
should have been completed um uh mishap

1235
00:56:18,789 --> 00:56:16,880
report situation report etc um as now

1236
00:56:20,630 --> 00:56:18,799
due to where so as a law enforcement

1237
00:56:22,870 --> 00:56:20,640
officer on board and tasked as the

1238
00:56:25,589 --> 00:56:22,880
anti-terrorism officer when we're in

1239
00:56:28,230 --> 00:56:25,599
port i was responsible to the commanding

1240
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,240
officer for enforcement of the uniform

1241
00:56:32,710 --> 00:56:30,720
code of military justice local federal

1242
00:56:34,549 --> 00:56:32,720
and state law while on board the ship

1243
00:56:35,670 --> 00:56:34,559
and in the vicinity of the ship i was

1244
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:35,680
also tasked with what's called

1245
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:38,480
anti-terrorism now anti-terrorism occurs

1246
00:56:42,630 --> 00:56:40,880
basically in port once we cross what we

1247
00:56:44,470 --> 00:56:42,640
call the breakwater or start entering

1248
00:56:46,470 --> 00:56:44,480
into the traffic pattern of the harbor

1249
00:56:49,349 --> 00:56:46,480
area that's where the ant the

1250
00:56:51,510 --> 00:56:49,359
the rules of engagement stop

1251
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,520
that you would normally utilize for war

1252
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,760
and and what we call uh and the

1253
00:56:58,390 --> 00:56:55,920
anti-terrorism force protection mission

1254
00:57:00,470 --> 00:56:58,400
picks up there and so we would respond

1255
00:57:02,549 --> 00:57:00,480
differently and things like that so

1256
00:57:04,309 --> 00:57:02,559
while i'm out to see i'm only

1257
00:57:06,069 --> 00:57:04,319
responsible for good what's called good

1258
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:06,079
order and discipline and law enforcement

1259
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:07,520
on board the ship

1260
00:57:11,270 --> 00:57:10,240
so that report would not have come to me

1261
00:57:13,109 --> 00:57:11,280
because it wouldn't have been a law

1262
00:57:14,950 --> 00:57:13,119
enforcement violation

1263
00:57:16,630 --> 00:57:14,960
uh and it wouldn't have fallen under my

1264
00:57:19,349 --> 00:57:16,640
stuff now

1265
00:57:20,470 --> 00:57:19,359
i will say to clarify any any questions

1266
00:57:21,589 --> 00:57:20,480
you might ask

1267
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,599
it would have been sent out it would

1268
00:57:26,630 --> 00:57:23,839
have been in our sent items essentially

1269
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:26,640
on on the sipper side or or the the the

1270
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:30,000
secret and ts computers um would it

1271
00:57:34,309 --> 00:57:31,200
should it have been there should it have

1272
00:57:35,589 --> 00:57:34,319
been created absolutely um where is it i

1273
00:57:36,549 --> 00:57:35,599
don't know

1274
00:57:38,470 --> 00:57:36,559
now

1275
00:57:39,589 --> 00:57:38,480
where are the radar

1276
00:57:41,670 --> 00:57:39,599
tapes

1277
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:41,680
where are you know all of the other uh

1278
00:57:45,829 --> 00:57:43,680
where are the watch bills that would

1279
00:57:47,510 --> 00:57:45,839
tell me who did i turn to and speak to

1280
00:57:49,030 --> 00:57:47,520
when i saw what i did in the sky because

1281
00:57:51,030 --> 00:57:49,040
there was another there were you know we

1282
00:57:53,750 --> 00:57:51,040
would be able to narrow it down

1283
00:57:55,750 --> 00:57:53,760
via cruise book photos or or memory and

1284
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:55,760
names and stuff like that but those

1285
00:57:59,510 --> 00:57:57,440
things don't exist as far as i know now

1286
00:58:01,829 --> 00:57:59,520
i've never done a foia myself

1287
00:58:03,430 --> 00:58:01,839
but i've spoken to a lot of people uh

1288
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:03,440
who do do them and do them

1289
00:58:07,190 --> 00:58:04,720
professionally

1290
00:58:09,190 --> 00:58:07,200
and they haven't been able to find those

1291
00:58:10,549 --> 00:58:09,200
corresponding documents

1292
00:58:12,309 --> 00:58:10,559
that all of us have said well go look

1293
00:58:14,309 --> 00:58:12,319
for this or go look for that it has to

1294
00:58:16,069 --> 00:58:14,319
be there somewhere because i would

1295
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:16,079
assume

1296
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:18,000
um that

1297
00:58:23,990 --> 00:58:20,319
uh the odni

1298
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:24,000
or the head of any agency or

1299
00:58:27,109 --> 00:58:24,960
uh

1300
00:58:29,910 --> 00:58:27,119
the joint chiefs

1301
00:58:31,109 --> 00:58:29,920
uh who find out about the nimitz

1302
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:31,119
incident

1303
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:34,640
through tv shows

1304
00:58:38,630 --> 00:58:37,520
through radio shows like this

1305
00:58:40,230 --> 00:58:38,640
and they're going this happened when

1306
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,240
2004

1307
00:58:44,549 --> 00:58:42,480
who who was who

1308
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:44,559
wait wait wait what

1309
00:58:50,630 --> 00:58:48,000
and and why are we just now finding out

1310
00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:50,640
about this and if they are going through

1311
00:58:54,630 --> 00:58:53,119
forget about the uap task force

1312
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:54,640
i'm saying that

1313
00:58:59,750 --> 00:58:58,640
when the odni gets first wind of this

1314
00:59:08,630 --> 00:58:59,760
how many

1315
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:10,710
you're absolutely right and i think that

1316
00:59:14,710 --> 00:59:12,319
what a lot of people don't understand is

1317
00:59:16,789 --> 00:59:14,720
what we're seeing with the ndaa the ua

1318
00:59:18,630 --> 00:59:16,799
ptf and these efforts

1319
00:59:20,069 --> 00:59:18,640
is that is the portion of the united

1320
00:59:22,230 --> 00:59:20,079
states government and the department of

1321
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:22,240
the of defense that is waking up to that

1322
00:59:25,109 --> 00:59:23,599
exact fact

1323
00:59:26,549 --> 00:59:25,119
so you've got a great deal of leaders

1324
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:26,559
that are going hold on a second how did

1325
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:28,160
we not know about this and you've got

1326
00:59:32,470 --> 00:59:29,760
senators who are who are asking

1327
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,480
questions now that it's not we'll get in

1328
00:59:37,030 --> 00:59:35,040
the sky for it later but we're dialing a

1329
00:59:37,750 --> 00:59:37,040
lot less and the phone's ringing a lot

1330
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:37,760
more

1331
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,680
because people are asking these

1332
00:59:43,109 --> 00:59:41,359
questions and they they want they want

1333
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:43,119
to talk to people who were

1334
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,880
who were you know on the record

1335
00:59:48,309 --> 00:59:46,400
observers you know people that were

1336
00:59:50,789 --> 00:59:48,319
under oath people that you know that had

1337
00:59:53,510 --> 00:59:50,799
that showed proficiency prior to and

1338
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:53,520
after the job and things like that

1339
00:59:59,109 --> 00:59:56,160
and so what you're seeing is people

1340
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:59,119
asking those questions they this is

1341
01:00:02,789 --> 01:00:01,119
us in public and the united states

1342
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,799
government going what the heck is going

1343
01:00:07,109 --> 01:00:04,960
on why didn't we know about this

1344
01:00:10,390 --> 01:00:07,119
now a lot of people conflate

1345
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:10,400
whoever did know before and whoever was

1346
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:12,160
tracking this with the people that are

1347
01:00:16,309 --> 01:00:13,680
in office now

1348
01:00:19,109 --> 01:00:16,319
and i think it's pretty clear we have 70

1349
01:00:21,589 --> 01:00:19,119
70 plus years of various investigations

1350
01:00:24,470 --> 01:00:21,599
whether we're talking blue book grudge

1351
01:00:26,630 --> 01:00:24,480
sign etc going through all of them where

1352
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:26,640
they all ended the same way nothing to

1353
01:00:31,589 --> 01:00:29,680
see here close that close the program or

1354
01:00:33,670 --> 01:00:31,599
when or if we hadn't if we thought the

1355
01:00:36,069 --> 01:00:33,680
program had closed

1356
01:00:38,150 --> 01:00:36,079
then we found out no found out 20 years

1357
01:00:40,390 --> 01:00:38,160
later kept open the whole time put it

1358
01:00:42,230 --> 01:00:40,400
under a different name but by the way

1359
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,240
even though we went another 10 or 20

1360
01:00:47,430 --> 01:00:44,160
years with this and refunded it four

1361
01:00:49,510 --> 01:00:47,440
four times nothing to see here

1362
01:00:51,510 --> 01:00:49,520
and that nothing to see here

1363
01:00:53,510 --> 01:00:51,520
really ticks people off it ticks me off

1364
01:00:56,230 --> 01:00:53,520
too and and but i've gotten to this

1365
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:56,240
point where i'm like we have to progress

1366
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:57,599
and i know that there's enough people

1367
01:01:03,349 --> 01:01:00,000
that are angry about what may or may not

1368
01:01:05,190 --> 01:01:03,359
have been reported kept secret done etc

1369
01:01:07,270 --> 01:01:05,200
but if we don't choose how we're going

1370
01:01:09,589 --> 01:01:07,280
to transform from

1371
01:01:11,670 --> 01:01:09,599
secrecy into openness

1372
01:01:13,349 --> 01:01:11,680
and keep keep the ball rolling and i'm

1373
01:01:14,870 --> 01:01:13,359
not a big fan of the status quo so

1374
01:01:16,870 --> 01:01:14,880
anybody thinks that i want to keep

1375
01:01:18,470 --> 01:01:16,880
things going the way they've been that's

1376
01:01:20,390 --> 01:01:18,480
not the kind of guy i am i'mma change

1377
01:01:22,230 --> 01:01:20,400
the world buy everybody a coke kind of

1378
01:01:23,670 --> 01:01:22,240
guy you know

1379
01:01:26,069 --> 01:01:23,680
but

1380
01:01:27,910 --> 01:01:26,079
i find so much

1381
01:01:29,430 --> 01:01:27,920
vitriol in and i i don't want to be

1382
01:01:31,109 --> 01:01:29,440
negative at all tonight not gonna not

1383
01:01:33,430 --> 01:01:31,119
gonna smack the podium but i find so

1384
01:01:34,950 --> 01:01:33,440
much vitriol in the community that wants

1385
01:01:36,630 --> 01:01:34,960
instant answers that they don't

1386
01:01:38,870 --> 01:01:36,640
understand that the people are fighting

1387
01:01:40,309 --> 01:01:38,880
for them don't may not have they have

1388
01:01:42,390 --> 01:01:40,319
some of their own conclusions they might

1389
01:01:44,150 --> 01:01:42,400
have a little bit more data but if we

1390
01:01:45,670 --> 01:01:44,160
had a clear picture

1391
01:01:48,230 --> 01:01:45,680
we're in a

1392
01:01:50,150 --> 01:01:48,240
place in this world where a lot of

1393
01:01:51,670 --> 01:01:50,160
people have have the intestinal

1394
01:01:52,870 --> 01:01:51,680
fortitude to just come out and tell the

1395
01:01:54,950 --> 01:01:52,880
truth

1396
01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:54,960
and and this has been socialized to the

1397
01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:57,280
point where it's not just a question of

1398
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,440
somebody coming out and telling a truth

1399
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:01,520
you know if some i think if some senator

1400
01:02:06,150 --> 01:02:03,520
came out and when aliens are real we're

1401
01:02:07,510 --> 01:02:06,160
all gonna say where's the proof right

1402
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,520
you know we don't want to hear any more

1403
01:02:11,430 --> 01:02:09,440
declarative statements

1404
01:02:13,349 --> 01:02:11,440
we're but we are at the point where uap

1405
01:02:14,950 --> 01:02:13,359
is real the leadership believes it's

1406
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:14,960
real they want to know what the heck it

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is they they real they agree these

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photos aren't enough these videos we've

1409
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:20,799
seen aren't enough

1410
01:02:25,670 --> 01:02:24,079
and even even the folks behind the you

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know the wall of government where where

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01:02:28,870 --> 01:02:27,280
they are getting a better picture than

1413
01:02:31,829 --> 01:02:28,880
the rest of us

1414
01:02:33,829 --> 01:02:31,839
those folks are still asking for more

1415
01:02:35,829 --> 01:02:33,839
because even what they're seeing isn't

1416
01:02:37,670 --> 01:02:35,839
definitive enough

1417
01:02:39,750 --> 01:02:37,680
to walk out in front of a podium and say

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what the heck's going on well i think we

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01:02:43,029 --> 01:02:41,520
look at the redactions in these reports

1420
01:02:44,390 --> 01:02:43,039
i'll hand it back to you in a second i

1421
01:02:46,470 --> 01:02:44,400
think if we look at the redactions in

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01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:46,480
these reports what people are seeing is

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01:02:49,270 --> 01:02:48,240
not what they're hoping for it's not

1424
01:02:53,430 --> 01:02:49,280
it's not

1425
01:02:55,750 --> 01:02:53,440
of a you know of communication between

1426
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:55,760
aliens and us it's it's

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01:03:00,390 --> 01:02:58,720
national defense data because we haven't

1428
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:00,400
determined who the heck this is yet if

1429
01:03:04,710 --> 01:03:02,880
we say what we saw

1430
01:03:07,109 --> 01:03:04,720
if it is one of our adversaries they're

1431
01:03:08,069 --> 01:03:07,119
gonna go okay they identified the xyz

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system

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01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:09,440
let's dial you know what i mean you're

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01:03:12,950 --> 01:03:11,039
giving them you're giving them intel

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01:03:15,349 --> 01:03:12,960
that could hurt us so this is a this is

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a very careful thing to do

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01:03:19,029 --> 01:03:16,880
let's take our break right here our

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01:03:21,510 --> 01:03:19,039
guest tonight sean cahill this is fade

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01:03:22,789 --> 01:03:21,520
to black i am your host jimmy church on

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01:03:25,190 --> 01:03:22,799
the nx

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and game changer networks it's going to

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be one of those nights on the show you

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01:03:30,309 --> 01:03:28,640
stay right there kids

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01:03:31,589 --> 01:03:30,319
sean cahill i'm your host jimmy church

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01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:31,599
we'll be right back after this short

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01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:35,210
break stay with us

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so

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this is fade to black with jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network

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jimmy church and fade to black on the

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hang out with us in the safety of home

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01:08:28,149 --> 01:08:25,759
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01:08:31,669 --> 01:08:28,159
holds the lucky pony record for the best

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01:08:36,870 --> 01:08:35,279
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01:08:38,820 --> 01:08:36,880
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church on fade to black

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[Music]

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01:09:00,070 --> 01:08:43,120
[Applause]

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01:09:01,990 --> 01:09:00,080
[Music]

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01:09:04,309 --> 01:09:02,000
welcome back fade to black i am your

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01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:04,319
host jimmy church tonight sean cahill

1549
01:09:08,309 --> 01:09:06,480
joins us

1550
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:08,319
we've got a lot to go through tonight

1551
01:09:13,030 --> 01:09:10,000
sean's not going anywhere he's going to

1552
01:09:15,030 --> 01:09:13,040
be uh he's going to be right with us

1553
01:09:17,349 --> 01:09:15,040
he's going to cross the pole

1554
01:09:20,630 --> 01:09:17,359
at the end of this show for sure

1555
01:09:23,269 --> 01:09:20,640
and uh now sean uh just for

1556
01:09:26,149 --> 01:09:23,279
uh uh historical context i don't want to

1557
01:09:28,709 --> 01:09:26,159
uh to spend a whole lot of time on this

1558
01:09:31,669 --> 01:09:28,719
and you've spoken about this enough out

1559
01:09:34,630 --> 01:09:31,679
in the public but just for uh flow and

1560
01:09:36,550 --> 01:09:34,640
context uh for this show

1561
01:09:38,870 --> 01:09:36,560
where were you

1562
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:38,880
um on the princeton

1563
01:09:43,669 --> 01:09:41,920
the day of it was a lot of things but

1564
01:09:46,070 --> 01:09:43,679
specifically

1565
01:09:49,269 --> 01:09:46,080
the cap point day uh

1566
01:09:51,749 --> 01:09:49,279
kevin day's firing off you know uh

1567
01:09:53,749 --> 01:09:51,759
uh planes off the deck and and favor

1568
01:09:55,430 --> 01:09:53,759
heads out um

1569
01:09:57,590 --> 01:09:55,440
where were you

1570
01:10:00,229 --> 01:09:57,600
uh on that day

1571
01:10:01,189 --> 01:10:00,239
so i think i was in my rack asleep

1572
01:10:02,870 --> 01:10:01,199
um

1573
01:10:03,750 --> 01:10:02,880
i was working the night shift at that

1574
01:10:06,070 --> 01:10:03,760
point

1575
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:06,080
and we i think we had a a dedicated

1576
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:07,760
watch bill where we were we were either

1577
01:10:13,270 --> 01:10:09,840
standing the same or very similar

1578
01:10:14,630 --> 01:10:13,280
watches for a while and um

1579
01:10:18,310 --> 01:10:14,640
i know that i was asleep when they

1580
01:10:20,550 --> 01:10:18,320
launched the f-18 um i

1581
01:10:22,550 --> 01:10:20,560
watched that night not knowing that we

1582
01:10:24,550 --> 01:10:22,560
had gun camera footage

1583
01:10:26,709 --> 01:10:24,560
um i believe that i got a call from

1584
01:10:28,870 --> 01:10:26,719
kevin while on that watch

1585
01:10:31,350 --> 01:10:28,880
really kind of harping me to keep to

1586
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,360
have my guys looking for these things

1587
01:10:35,830 --> 01:10:34,320
and because i had i had to do my portion

1588
01:10:37,350 --> 01:10:35,840
of the exercise on the bridge during the

1589
01:10:40,310 --> 01:10:37,360
course of the week while

1590
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:40,320
um while kevin day and gary voorhees and

1591
01:10:43,669 --> 01:10:42,080
other people were really running around

1592
01:10:45,669 --> 01:10:43,679
checking the systems and doing really

1593
01:10:47,110 --> 01:10:45,679
the hard work i was just up there doing

1594
01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:47,120
you know running our anti not running

1595
01:10:50,709 --> 01:10:48,719
but as the conning officer of our

1596
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:50,719
anti-submarine operation that we were

1597
01:10:53,669 --> 01:10:51,840
running

1598
01:10:55,510 --> 01:10:53,679
um so

1599
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,520
i remember kevin calling me

1600
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:57,120
and and just giving me kind of give me a

1601
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:58,800
hard time don't sean please really take

1602
01:11:01,270 --> 01:11:00,159
this seriously go out there look at

1603
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:01,280
these things we're pretty sure that

1604
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:03,679
they're real contacts i was like okay

1605
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:06,159
um and and took him you know i did what

1606
01:11:09,110 --> 01:11:07,679
he asked and really went out there

1607
01:11:10,950 --> 01:11:09,120
talked to all my guys individually

1608
01:11:12,709 --> 01:11:10,960
radioed the aft look out and the forward

1609
01:11:14,630 --> 01:11:12,719
look out on the sound powered phones and

1610
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:14,640
i told them as well make all reports to

1611
01:11:17,430 --> 01:11:16,080
the conning officer

1612
01:11:18,470 --> 01:11:17,440
um

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01:11:20,070 --> 01:11:18,480
and

1614
01:11:21,510 --> 01:11:20,080
that it was shortly after that i went

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01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:21,520
out on the um

1616
01:11:26,790 --> 01:11:24,080
the starboard side uh or excuse me the

1617
01:11:28,630 --> 01:11:26,800
port bridgewing rather and started

1618
01:11:30,229 --> 01:11:28,640
scanning with a pair of binos that i

1619
01:11:31,030 --> 01:11:30,239
actually still have

1620
01:11:32,790 --> 01:11:31,040
and

1621
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:32,800
the port lookout was the one looking

1622
01:11:36,310 --> 01:11:34,800
through what are called the big eyes and

1623
01:11:38,310 --> 01:11:36,320
he was scanning in one direction i

1624
01:11:39,990 --> 01:11:38,320
scanned towards the towards the port bow

1625
01:11:42,950 --> 01:11:40,000
when i saw five to seven lights off the

1626
01:11:45,350 --> 01:11:42,960
port bow at about two thousand feet i'll

1627
01:11:48,149 --> 01:11:45,360
turn towards the center of a of this

1628
01:11:51,270 --> 01:11:48,159
formation they were in and and disappear

1629
01:11:53,110 --> 01:11:51,280
one at a time just one two three four

1630
01:11:55,110 --> 01:11:53,120
five six seven

1631
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:55,120
um all turning they would all turn in

1632
01:11:57,510 --> 01:11:56,320
towards the center and they would

1633
01:11:58,470 --> 01:11:57,520
disappear

1634
01:12:00,310 --> 01:11:58,480
um

1635
01:12:01,990 --> 01:12:00,320
i didn't call kevin it was late at night

1636
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:02,000
i went back you know i went in asked the

1637
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:04,080
guy next i asked the watch standard next

1638
01:12:07,750 --> 01:12:05,360
to me did you see that and we both

1639
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:07,760
utilizing saltier language said that we

1640
01:12:10,950 --> 01:12:08,719
had

1641
01:12:12,790 --> 01:12:10,960
you know did the holy crap moment

1642
01:12:14,229 --> 01:12:12,800
and scanned for a bit more but then i

1643
01:12:16,790 --> 01:12:14,239
went and i remember going in the bridge

1644
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:16,800
and going past the quarter masters table

1645
01:12:20,390 --> 01:12:19,040
and just got called back into duty you

1646
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:20,400
know what i mean we were just doing the

1647
01:12:22,950 --> 01:12:22,000
operation that we're on so the next

1648
01:12:25,430 --> 01:12:22,960
morning

1649
01:12:27,750 --> 01:12:25,440
i left the bridge that night

1650
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,760
just went down to my bed went to sleep

1651
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:29,040
got up in the morning because we had

1652
01:12:32,149 --> 01:12:30,719
something we all had to do

1653
01:12:33,110 --> 01:12:32,159
and you know it was like a regular work

1654
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:33,120
day

1655
01:12:37,030 --> 01:12:35,040
and when i went out to breakfast kevin

1656
01:12:39,110 --> 01:12:37,040
had a huge smile on his face and some

1657
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:39,120
other folks um that i'd eat breakfast

1658
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:40,960
with every morning were standing behind

1659
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:41,840
him with their coffee and they're kind

1660
01:12:44,950 --> 01:12:43,600
of waiting for me to wake up

1661
01:12:46,630 --> 01:12:44,960
and i was like you know what the hell

1662
01:12:48,390 --> 01:12:46,640
are we chasing i was i was kind of

1663
01:12:49,910 --> 01:12:48,400
getting ticked with kev because i was

1664
01:12:51,750 --> 01:12:49,920
like what are we doing here man you keep

1665
01:12:53,750 --> 01:12:51,760
bugging me when i'm trying to to do

1666
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:53,760
stuff that's not natural to my skill set

1667
01:12:55,590 --> 01:12:54,719
which is

1668
01:12:57,110 --> 01:12:55,600
you know

1669
01:12:58,470 --> 01:12:57,120
con of worship

1670
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:58,480
um

1671
01:13:01,669 --> 01:12:59,760
and they were like you need to go check

1672
01:13:04,229 --> 01:13:01,679
your sipper net and i so i went we were

1673
01:13:05,910 --> 01:13:04,239
lucky enough to have our own um high

1674
01:13:07,990 --> 01:13:05,920
side station back in our the chiefs

1675
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:08,000
lounge and so we all went back there and

1676
01:13:11,830 --> 01:13:10,320
i pulled up the the tic tac video

1677
01:13:12,950 --> 01:13:11,840
and it was a really neat moment looking

1678
01:13:14,950 --> 01:13:12,960
back because we knew what we were

1679
01:13:16,870 --> 01:13:14,960
looking at you know because we we knew

1680
01:13:20,630 --> 01:13:16,880
what we had in our arsenal and we were

1681
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:20,640
all defense professionals we were nerds

1682
01:13:23,590 --> 01:13:22,880
too aviation nerds and stuff like that

1683
01:13:29,030 --> 01:13:23,600
so

1684
01:13:30,630 --> 01:13:29,040
black programs and what's the new tester

1685
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:30,640
model coming out you know that kind of

1686
01:13:34,950 --> 01:13:32,480
thing right right right right this was

1687
01:13:37,590 --> 01:13:34,960
none of that this was none of that and

1688
01:13:39,510 --> 01:13:37,600
we we knew we were looking at at the at

1689
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,520
you know ir footage from a from a flear

1690
01:13:43,350 --> 01:13:41,280
pod on an f-18

1691
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,360
and we were we were smart enough from

1692
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,880
all of the systems that we utilized the

1693
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:46,880
22 millimeter cannons most of us stood

1694
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:49,120
watch down and swick in the combat

1695
01:13:52,149 --> 01:13:50,880
information center so we understood what

1696
01:13:54,070 --> 01:13:52,159
we were looking at

1697
01:13:57,110 --> 01:13:54,080
and this was no airplane this was no

1698
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:57,120
seagull this was no balloon we we were

1699
01:14:00,870 --> 01:13:58,960
you know not to perseverate on the stuff

1700
01:14:02,229 --> 01:14:00,880
we know out there but when you

1701
01:14:04,550 --> 01:14:02,239
run a ship

1702
01:14:06,550 --> 01:14:04,560
you know every couple of weeks out in

1703
01:14:08,149 --> 01:14:06,560
the same area training over and over

1704
01:14:09,350 --> 01:14:08,159
again you learn all the local patterns

1705
01:14:10,790 --> 01:14:09,360
and and something that would really be

1706
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,800
interesting to people is there's a

1707
01:14:13,990 --> 01:14:12,640
there's a mylar balloon graveyard out

1708
01:14:15,430 --> 01:14:14,000
there

1709
01:14:17,030 --> 01:14:15,440
you know folks talk about you know the

1710
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:17,040
big garbage patch out in the middle of

1711
01:14:21,750 --> 01:14:18,880
the ocean well we have a

1712
01:14:23,350 --> 01:14:21,760
birthday party balloon graveyard off the

1713
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,360
coast of california and we're always

1714
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,520
watching mylars come in

1715
01:14:29,590 --> 01:14:27,600
and things like that so

1716
01:14:31,189 --> 01:14:29,600
again it was it was a minute where we

1717
01:14:33,030 --> 01:14:31,199
all looked around each other and we knew

1718
01:14:35,110 --> 01:14:33,040
we were having for lack of a better word

1719
01:14:37,510 --> 01:14:35,120
a roswell moment you know we were like

1720
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:37,520
well if all that was crap

1721
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,360
this certainly can't be right right um

1722
01:14:45,990 --> 01:14:43,520
i i want to make uh i'm not being

1723
01:14:47,669 --> 01:14:46,000
cavalier i i do need to make this

1724
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:47,679
comment though

1725
01:14:51,910 --> 01:14:50,000
your official

1726
01:14:53,350 --> 01:14:51,920
navy

1727
01:14:55,750 --> 01:14:53,360
photograph

1728
01:14:58,470 --> 01:14:55,760
in uniform you know you got your dresses

1729
01:15:02,149 --> 01:14:58,480
on right you got your dress blues

1730
01:15:03,590 --> 01:15:02,159
you look 20 years younger today

1731
01:15:05,350 --> 01:15:03,600
than yours

1732
01:15:07,910 --> 01:15:05,360
than your name because

1733
01:15:10,550 --> 01:15:07,920
and and i'm saying this because

1734
01:15:14,470 --> 01:15:10,560
you're clean cut your

1735
01:15:16,550 --> 01:15:14,480
dude you are an officer of the navy

1736
01:15:18,950 --> 01:15:16,560
that's exactly the image and i'm

1737
01:15:21,750 --> 01:15:18,960
picturing that guy because i i know this

1738
01:15:23,350 --> 01:15:21,760
guy right that i'm talking to now

1739
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:23,360
i see that guy

1740
01:15:27,830 --> 01:15:25,360
and that's the guy you want on the

1741
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,840
bridge you've got that image and that's

1742
01:15:31,990 --> 01:15:29,280
what you are you're an officer of the

1743
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:32,000
navy so i'm picturing kevin day and

1744
01:15:38,149 --> 01:15:35,360
everybody else coming up to that guy

1745
01:15:40,470 --> 01:15:38,159
speaking like this and that uh that

1746
01:15:44,229 --> 01:15:40,480
shakes me to my core you were you were

1747
01:15:46,149 --> 01:15:44,239
very serious and now you guys are at a a

1748
01:15:49,830 --> 01:15:46,159
real holy crap moment

1749
01:15:52,709 --> 01:15:49,840
and that naval officer uh chief cahill

1750
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:52,719
is is now looking at this

1751
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:55,040
but when um

1752
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:57,679
uh when you looked at the video are you

1753
01:16:01,270 --> 01:15:59,440
you said you were in the swic

1754
01:16:04,229 --> 01:16:01,280
no we were we were in our lounge but we

1755
01:16:06,070 --> 01:16:04,239
had a sipper a sipper station okay

1756
01:16:07,590 --> 01:16:06,080
you're at the sipper station so you have

1757
01:16:10,229 --> 01:16:07,600
access to

1758
01:16:12,390 --> 01:16:10,239
uh the footage

1759
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:12,400
what version of the footage were you

1760
01:16:16,470 --> 01:16:14,719
guys looking at was it a longer version

1761
01:16:17,750 --> 01:16:16,480
than the one that we're seeing out in

1762
01:16:20,790 --> 01:16:17,760
the public

1763
01:16:22,870 --> 01:16:20,800
so that that's interesting um

1764
01:16:24,550 --> 01:16:22,880
i was tracking that for a while as they

1765
01:16:26,310 --> 01:16:24,560
were coming you know one of the the the

1766
01:16:29,510 --> 01:16:26,320
way that i hooked up with louis elizondo

1767
01:16:31,430 --> 01:16:29,520
just to uh digress for a sec was when i

1768
01:16:33,430 --> 01:16:31,440
wrote him at ttsa

1769
01:16:35,110 --> 01:16:33,440
i didn't intend to come forward as a

1770
01:16:36,950 --> 01:16:35,120
witness i didn't think that what i had

1771
01:16:38,229 --> 01:16:36,960
seen was very compelling we had gun

1772
01:16:39,990 --> 01:16:38,239
camera footage

1773
01:16:42,149 --> 01:16:40,000
but what i did say to him was hey i was

1774
01:16:44,070 --> 01:16:42,159
on the bridge i helped with this i was

1775
01:16:46,229 --> 01:16:44,080
there and i didn't have i didn't think

1776
01:16:48,070 --> 01:16:46,239
gary or kevin or anybody else i knew

1777
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:48,080
that i knew what they did they knew what

1778
01:16:52,870 --> 01:16:50,320
they did you know we would all say but

1779
01:16:55,830 --> 01:16:52,880
if someone wanted to cash in on this

1780
01:16:57,590 --> 01:16:55,840
and throw some some nonsense to it i was

1781
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:57,600
i was like hey man let me know i'll let

1782
01:17:02,790 --> 01:16:59,600
you know who was who in the zoo you know

1783
01:17:05,350 --> 01:17:02,800
i was just going to help him out and

1784
01:17:07,990 --> 01:17:05,360
the reason that i say that is because

1785
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:10,390
this was such a profound moment

1786
01:17:13,590 --> 01:17:11,679
that

1787
01:17:15,270 --> 01:17:13,600
years later

1788
01:17:16,790 --> 01:17:15,280
i was concerned you know i came home

1789
01:17:17,990 --> 01:17:16,800
from it i told my family about it told

1790
01:17:19,189 --> 01:17:18,000
him everything

1791
01:17:21,030 --> 01:17:19,199
and and

1792
01:17:22,630 --> 01:17:21,040
and explained everything so years later

1793
01:17:23,430 --> 01:17:22,640
i had validation

1794
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:23,440
but

1795
01:17:27,750 --> 01:17:24,960
when the videos first came out i was

1796
01:17:31,750 --> 01:17:27,760
like that's what i saw

1797
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:31,760
but it's not as profound as what i saw

1798
01:17:36,149 --> 01:17:34,000
in 2004 and i tried to figure out is

1799
01:17:38,470 --> 01:17:36,159
that because i'm on a better monitor

1800
01:17:40,790 --> 01:17:38,480
this is a crappy video you know it was

1801
01:17:41,990 --> 01:17:40,800
never high definition full color that

1802
01:17:42,790 --> 01:17:42,000
all the people

1803
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:42,800
say

1804
01:17:47,270 --> 01:17:45,040
that that there was i never saw that but

1805
01:17:48,470 --> 01:17:47,280
i did see a longer version i want to say

1806
01:17:49,669 --> 01:17:48,480
and i have my times off because i

1807
01:17:50,470 --> 01:17:49,679
haven't studied this recently but i want

1808
01:17:52,149 --> 01:17:50,480
to say

1809
01:17:54,149 --> 01:17:52,159
one eventually came out that matched

1810
01:17:56,149 --> 01:17:54,159
what i saw it was like a minute and 30

1811
01:17:57,510 --> 01:17:56,159
seconds or something like that

1812
01:17:59,270 --> 01:17:57,520
and there was a but there was another

1813
01:18:02,149 --> 01:17:59,280
version that we got in the email that

1814
01:18:04,950 --> 01:18:02,159
seemed high higher quality

1815
01:18:07,750 --> 01:18:04,960
but it was a clip of all of the phase

1816
01:18:10,149 --> 01:18:07,760
changes that the uap made so basically

1817
01:18:12,950 --> 01:18:10,159
it was how do we take a longer video on

1818
01:18:15,030 --> 01:18:12,960
an ancient 2004 system

1819
01:18:17,030 --> 01:18:15,040
get it small enough that we can shoot it

1820
01:18:18,950 --> 01:18:17,040
over to you guys and you guys get the

1821
01:18:21,030 --> 01:18:18,960
gist but don't see the whole video so it

1822
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:21,040
was kind of like a highlight reel

1823
01:18:23,910 --> 01:18:22,480
um

1824
01:18:25,110 --> 01:18:23,920
i i know this isn't wasn't one of the

1825
01:18:27,510 --> 01:18:25,120
questions you asked but let me add that

1826
01:18:28,550 --> 01:18:27,520
there was a trail of emails

1827
01:18:31,189 --> 01:18:28,560
okay

1828
01:18:35,189 --> 01:18:31,199
and that preceded that between the

1829
01:18:36,950 --> 01:18:35,199
operations officer uh teresa elders and

1830
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:36,960
the operations officer on board the

1831
01:18:42,310 --> 01:18:40,880
nimitz uh so princeton nimitz opsos and

1832
01:18:45,270 --> 01:18:42,320
they they had a

1833
01:18:47,030 --> 01:18:45,280
days-long conversation going about

1834
01:18:49,189 --> 01:18:47,040
could this be temperature inversions can

1835
01:18:51,750 --> 01:18:49,199
this be a flock of birds could it be a

1836
01:18:54,390 --> 01:18:51,760
bunch of mylar balloons coming out they

1837
01:18:57,350 --> 01:18:54,400
tested ev everything that the debunkers

1838
01:18:59,030 --> 01:18:57,360
are still are still working on

1839
01:19:00,470 --> 01:18:59,040
they already knocked that stuff out

1840
01:19:02,550 --> 01:19:00,480
between the two of them we're talking

1841
01:19:04,310 --> 01:19:02,560
about highly educated professionals and

1842
01:19:05,830 --> 01:19:04,320
war fighters that need to understand

1843
01:19:09,590 --> 01:19:05,840
their battle space

1844
01:19:11,270 --> 01:19:09,600
so an unknown has to be tracked down

1845
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:11,280
you know what i'm saying and so these

1846
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:13,760
these we were not when we sort the f-18s

1847
01:19:18,470 --> 01:19:16,400
we're not sorting f-18s for go for birds

1848
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,480
you know

1849
01:19:22,709 --> 01:19:20,400
the um

1850
01:19:25,189 --> 01:19:22,719
the the black helicopters are above your

1851
01:19:26,229 --> 01:19:25,199
house man they know that you're unfaded

1852
01:19:27,990 --> 01:19:26,239
i've got

1853
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:28,000
there's always helicopters above my

1854
01:19:32,709 --> 01:19:30,239
house i live one mile north of the the

1855
01:19:34,229 --> 01:19:32,719
training area for the sh-60s here at in

1856
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:34,239
the largest fleet concentration on the

1857
01:19:38,149 --> 01:19:35,679
west coast

1858
01:19:41,189 --> 01:19:38,159
it adds an element uh to the show

1859
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:41,199
tonight so um okay

1860
01:19:47,270 --> 01:19:45,040
um i i i don't want to rev i do actually

1861
01:19:50,390 --> 01:19:47,280
but we won't do it now i would love to

1862
01:19:52,870 --> 01:19:50,400
go through a play-by-play on all of this

1863
01:19:54,870 --> 01:19:52,880
and get into specifics but let's leave

1864
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:54,880
that right there so you were you were

1865
01:19:59,110 --> 01:19:56,719
there you saw the you saw the video

1866
01:20:01,990 --> 01:19:59,120
you're interacting with day everybody on

1867
01:20:04,630 --> 01:20:02,000
the ship is talking about it uh i like

1868
01:20:06,629 --> 01:20:04,640
your corkscrew vortex

1869
01:20:08,870 --> 01:20:06,639
siding uh that you had with those

1870
01:20:11,189 --> 01:20:08,880
objects uh going to the center and and

1871
01:20:12,950 --> 01:20:11,199
taking off uh so you know that there's a

1872
01:20:14,790 --> 01:20:12,960
phenomena happening and you guys are

1873
01:20:16,709 --> 01:20:14,800
trying to chase that down

1874
01:20:19,430 --> 01:20:16,719
all right so

1875
01:20:21,910 --> 01:20:19,440
what happens next though

1876
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:21,920
when we hear the reports you brought

1877
01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:24,800
this up already uh the data disappearing

1878
01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:25,679
and

1879
01:20:33,189 --> 01:20:29,120
uh uh there are uh you've heard the same

1880
01:20:36,629 --> 01:20:33,199
things i've heard uh uh comments about

1881
01:20:39,510 --> 01:20:36,639
helicopters civilians showing up uh

1882
01:20:42,310 --> 01:20:39,520
retrieving hard drives and then exiting

1883
01:20:44,470 --> 01:20:42,320
uh the fleet did you see any of that go

1884
01:20:45,270 --> 01:20:44,480
down

1885
01:20:48,950 --> 01:20:45,280
no

1886
01:20:50,310 --> 01:20:48,960
would have that would corroborate that

1887
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:50,320
is a

1888
01:20:53,750 --> 01:20:52,320
former colleague of mine at naval air

1889
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:53,760
station north island that i had worked

1890
01:20:56,629 --> 01:20:55,199
with before i transferred because i'd

1891
01:20:59,030 --> 01:20:56,639
only been on the princeton maybe six

1892
01:21:01,030 --> 01:20:59,040
months i got on board was selected for

1893
01:21:03,270 --> 01:21:01,040
chief went through initiation and we

1894
01:21:05,430 --> 01:21:03,280
were about um

1895
01:21:07,110 --> 01:21:05,440
two months passed in this initiation

1896
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,120
when i put on my khakis when we we

1897
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:09,600
encountered the tic tac but i had gone

1898
01:21:13,430 --> 01:21:11,199
back to naval air station north island

1899
01:21:15,750 --> 01:21:13,440
to essentially steal a royal police tape

1900
01:21:17,430 --> 01:21:15,760
because i i had ordered some it hadn't

1901
01:21:19,030 --> 01:21:17,440
come in on time i needed to do an event

1902
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:19,040
that i needed to rope some stuff off and

1903
01:21:23,590 --> 01:21:21,440
i i knew they had some and while i was

1904
01:21:25,030 --> 01:21:23,600
there this uh this guy used to work with

1905
01:21:27,189 --> 01:21:25,040
pulled me aside and was like hey chief

1906
01:21:28,790 --> 01:21:27,199
can i talk to you and i was like sure

1907
01:21:30,390 --> 01:21:28,800
and he was being cagey he asked if we

1908
01:21:32,629 --> 01:21:30,400
could go smoke a cigarette and i smoked

1909
01:21:34,470 --> 01:21:32,639
and i knew he didn't and i thought that

1910
01:21:36,870 --> 01:21:34,480
was strange he takes me out to the the

1911
01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,880
smoking area and he bums even goes so

1912
01:21:39,750 --> 01:21:38,320
far as the bum cigarette off me and

1913
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:39,760
light it and i'm like what are you doing

1914
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:42,560
bro you you know you look weird um and

1915
01:21:46,229 --> 01:21:44,080
he he's like yeah you're right i'm just

1916
01:21:48,629 --> 01:21:46,239
nervous and i said why and he goes

1917
01:21:50,629 --> 01:21:48,639
you're on the princeton right and i said

1918
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,639
yeah and i said why and he goes well my

1919
01:21:53,430 --> 01:21:52,320
wife's on the nimitz

1920
01:21:55,830 --> 01:21:53,440
and

1921
01:21:57,750 --> 01:21:55,840
she said that something really weird

1922
01:21:58,870 --> 01:21:57,760
went down when you guys were out and i

1923
01:22:01,189 --> 01:21:58,880
was like

1924
01:22:02,550 --> 01:22:01,199
yeah something did like and i was i was

1925
01:22:03,590 --> 01:22:02,560
holding back because i wanted to know

1926
01:22:04,709 --> 01:22:03,600
what he was going to say i wasn't

1927
01:22:05,590 --> 01:22:04,719
holding back because i wasn't going to

1928
01:22:06,629 --> 01:22:05,600
tell him

1929
01:22:08,229 --> 01:22:06,639
um

1930
01:22:09,350 --> 01:22:08,239
and he said well my wife and we so we

1931
01:22:11,430 --> 01:22:09,360
talked about the weird thing that

1932
01:22:13,990 --> 01:22:11,440
happened he goes well my wife says that

1933
01:22:15,990 --> 01:22:14,000
the master in arms on the nimitz

1934
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:16,000
had sequestered the pilots in their

1935
01:22:21,110 --> 01:22:17,280
state rooms

1936
01:22:22,149 --> 01:22:21,120
until some some non-navy civilians came

1937
01:22:24,790 --> 01:22:22,159
on board

1938
01:22:26,550 --> 01:22:24,800
and debriefed them and that the that the

1939
01:22:29,830 --> 01:22:26,560
pi now i haven't verified i've never

1940
01:22:31,270 --> 01:22:29,840
spoken to any of the pilots myself um

1941
01:22:32,870 --> 01:22:31,280
one of these days you know if i ever

1942
01:22:35,189 --> 01:22:32,880
meet him or we get on the same call or

1943
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:35,199
something i'd like to to verify that and

1944
01:22:38,390 --> 01:22:36,880
maybe who knows maybe they'll verify it

1945
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:38,400
or debunk it tonight

1946
01:22:44,070 --> 01:22:41,360
but he said that on board the nimitz

1947
01:22:46,629 --> 01:22:44,080
there was an air of all stop

1948
01:22:48,550 --> 01:22:46,639
with with this kind of thing until some

1949
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:48,560
folks no one recognized came on board

1950
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:50,960
now gary voorhees said i believe he says

1951
01:22:55,110 --> 01:22:52,880
something similar

1952
01:22:56,390 --> 01:22:55,120
about um a helicopter coming on board

1953
01:22:57,590 --> 01:22:56,400
princeton and i've been asked plenty of

1954
01:22:59,189 --> 01:22:57,600
times you would have known about that

1955
01:23:01,189 --> 01:22:59,199
you would have not been right

1956
01:23:03,030 --> 01:23:01,199
now i would no i wouldn't now we

1957
01:23:04,470 --> 01:23:03,040
received five six seven helicopters a

1958
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:04,480
day i would have only known about it if

1959
01:23:07,590 --> 01:23:05,920
i needed to give the person a rack to

1960
01:23:09,590 --> 01:23:07,600
sleep in because i was in charge of that

1961
01:23:11,430 --> 01:23:09,600
okay but you would have known that they

1962
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:11,440
would have sequestered everybody to the

1963
01:23:15,350 --> 01:23:13,840
rooms until they were

1964
01:23:16,709 --> 01:23:15,360
if that had happened on board my ship i

1965
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,719
would have heard about that sooner or

1966
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:18,560
later yes in fact i would have been

1967
01:23:23,030 --> 01:23:20,080
involved with it if that had happened on

1968
01:23:24,950 --> 01:23:23,040
board my ship it didn't but um finding

1969
01:23:26,149 --> 01:23:24,960
if hearing it from the person that i

1970
01:23:27,189 --> 01:23:26,159
heard it from let me just put it this

1971
01:23:29,590 --> 01:23:27,199
way

1972
01:23:31,030 --> 01:23:29,600
this is a guy that if you knew him he's

1973
01:23:32,870 --> 01:23:31,040
never he just he wouldn't lie to you

1974
01:23:35,189 --> 01:23:32,880
ever you know what i mean he's the kind

1975
01:23:37,030 --> 01:23:35,199
of guy he's very religious cat

1976
01:23:38,470 --> 01:23:37,040
very soft-spoken give you the shirt off

1977
01:23:40,950 --> 01:23:38,480
his back wouldn't cheat you out of a

1978
01:23:42,470 --> 01:23:40,960
penny and has never made up a story once

1979
01:23:45,030 --> 01:23:42,480
so

1980
01:23:47,590 --> 01:23:45,040
you know that's my assessment of the guy

1981
01:23:49,189 --> 01:23:47,600
but i take his word that at least his

1982
01:23:50,629 --> 01:23:49,199
wife told him that happened you know

1983
01:23:51,910 --> 01:23:50,639
what i mean and it was very commensurate

1984
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:51,920
with what we had gone through the week

1985
01:23:56,950 --> 01:23:54,320
before yeah that's a question for fravor

1986
01:23:58,629 --> 01:23:56,960
i mean that's uh that's a question

1987
01:24:01,110 --> 01:23:58,639
for dave

1988
01:24:03,510 --> 01:24:01,120
um which i don't think anybody's asked

1989
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,520
i've never heard

1990
01:24:07,750 --> 01:24:06,239
this get addressed he's been asked

1991
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,760
everything right

1992
01:24:11,430 --> 01:24:09,360
well there's still something left on the

1993
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:11,440
table and i would like

1994
01:24:15,430 --> 01:24:13,360
uh okay

1995
01:24:16,629 --> 01:24:15,440
let's let's work on that one

1996
01:24:19,189 --> 01:24:16,639
i think that's something that needs to

1997
01:24:21,189 --> 01:24:19,199
be addressed okay so now

1998
01:24:22,629 --> 01:24:21,199
moving on

1999
01:24:23,510 --> 01:24:22,639
you've uh

2000
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:23,520
uh

2001
01:24:26,870 --> 01:24:25,679
you deploy you do your things you've got

2002
01:24:28,310 --> 01:24:26,880
another

2003
01:24:31,270 --> 01:24:28,320
uh

2004
01:24:33,910 --> 01:24:31,280
13 14 years in the navy after this

2005
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:33,920
incident uh you left in 2015 this is two

2006
01:24:40,950 --> 01:24:37,199
thousand so another 11 years

2007
01:24:43,189 --> 01:24:40,960
where was was there any more chatter

2008
01:24:44,550 --> 01:24:43,199
over the next 11 years about this

2009
01:24:47,270 --> 01:24:44,560
incident

2010
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:47,280
number one okay you just said no so you

2011
01:24:51,350 --> 01:24:49,280
answered that right okay so there wasn't

2012
01:24:53,669 --> 01:24:51,360
any chatter throughout the navy

2013
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:53,679
somehow this was kept at sea if you know

2014
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:55,440
what i mean they got this yeah i hear i

2015
01:25:00,790 --> 01:24:57,760
understand the metaphor right right and

2016
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:00,800
uh did you have any other incidents

2017
01:25:05,590 --> 01:25:03,600
similar to this

2018
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,600
so that's up until this point i haven't

2019
01:25:08,790 --> 01:25:07,360
made a big point talking about you know

2020
01:25:10,310 --> 01:25:08,800
things i've seen and stuff like that

2021
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:10,320
other than the tic tac i've talked about

2022
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:14,159
them on a couple of shows but um i did

2023
01:25:18,310 --> 01:25:16,239
um i had a p i had a point after we

2024
01:25:20,790 --> 01:25:18,320
filmed unidentified i'd become good

2025
01:25:22,790 --> 01:25:20,800
friends with um our security guy and

2026
01:25:24,790 --> 01:25:22,800
medic that was on set with us and with

2027
01:25:26,390 --> 01:25:24,800
one of the camera operators and we had

2028
01:25:29,030 --> 01:25:26,400
carried on a conversation because you

2029
01:25:30,229 --> 01:25:29,040
know we this was this was years ago we

2030
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:30,239
didn't know if we were going to see lou

2031
01:25:33,030 --> 01:25:31,760
again we'd spend time on a couple weeks

2032
01:25:34,709 --> 01:25:33,040
on a boat with them we learned about the

2033
01:25:36,070 --> 01:25:34,719
five observables ahead of time before

2034
01:25:38,790 --> 01:25:36,080
you know they came out on the show or

2035
01:25:39,669 --> 01:25:38,800
that lewis started talking about them

2036
01:25:42,070 --> 01:25:39,679
and

2037
01:25:43,830 --> 01:25:42,080
i mean a lot of us are pretty

2038
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,840
pardon me for saying spoiled these days

2039
01:25:47,189 --> 01:25:45,840
with with how much we've learned

2040
01:25:48,629 --> 01:25:47,199
you know you know and i don't mean to

2041
01:25:50,149 --> 01:25:48,639
say don't get me wrong i'm not saying we

2042
01:25:51,510 --> 01:25:50,159
don't deserve to learn everything but we

2043
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,520
forget that there was a time when the

2044
01:25:55,030 --> 01:25:53,280
five observables were brand new and our

2045
01:25:56,709 --> 01:25:55,040
minds were blown that we were being told

2046
01:25:58,310 --> 01:25:56,719
that something was operating in these

2047
01:25:59,350 --> 01:25:58,320
parameters which i still think we should

2048
01:26:01,430 --> 01:25:59,360
focus on

2049
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:01,440
but

2050
01:26:04,790 --> 01:26:03,520
i say that because these guys finally

2051
01:26:06,470 --> 01:26:04,800
said to me they go you know we've had

2052
01:26:07,990 --> 01:26:06,480
enough conversations where you've told

2053
01:26:09,189 --> 01:26:08,000
us about weird stuff you've seen trying

2054
01:26:11,270 --> 01:26:09,199
to fig while we're trying to figure out

2055
01:26:12,950 --> 01:26:11,280
these other details why don't you go

2056
01:26:14,229 --> 01:26:12,960
write down everything you know go

2057
01:26:15,750 --> 01:26:14,239
meditate

2058
01:26:17,270 --> 01:26:15,760
um you know pull out some family

2059
01:26:18,870 --> 01:26:17,280
pictures and things like that do what

2060
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:18,880
you need to do to spark your memory and

2061
01:26:22,229 --> 01:26:20,400
start writing down everything weird and

2062
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:22,239
so i started and by the time i got done

2063
01:26:26,470 --> 01:26:24,639
i had a whiteboard full

2064
01:26:29,030 --> 01:26:26,480
of what you and i as researchers would

2065
01:26:31,430 --> 01:26:29,040
be like that's uap you know what i mean

2066
01:26:34,310 --> 01:26:31,440
that's that's either high strangeness

2067
01:26:35,669 --> 01:26:34,320
or or and let's be frank there's another

2068
01:26:37,590 --> 01:26:35,679
side of the coin of that that none of us

2069
01:26:39,990 --> 01:26:37,600
like talking about in the community

2070
01:26:42,070 --> 01:26:40,000
could it be mental illness and so i had

2071
01:26:43,990 --> 01:26:42,080
i had to search all those areas out i

2072
01:26:45,510 --> 01:26:44,000
went to a therapist i started i talked

2073
01:26:48,709 --> 01:26:45,520
about these things i was lucky enough to

2074
01:26:51,990 --> 01:26:48,719
find someone open-minded enough

2075
01:26:53,430 --> 01:26:52,000
but i was shaken by the fact that

2076
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:53,440
you know sean

2077
01:26:57,110 --> 01:26:55,520
the the couple of ufos that you thought

2078
01:26:59,830 --> 01:26:57,120
you saw in your life

2079
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:59,840
amount to a little bit more than that

2080
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:00,800
and

2081
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:02,560
when after getting really into the

2082
01:27:07,510 --> 01:27:04,320
subjects and stuff i'm i'm still

2083
01:27:09,430 --> 01:27:07,520
incredibly curious and um

2084
01:27:11,189 --> 01:27:09,440
not not i've not arrived at any

2085
01:27:13,189 --> 01:27:11,199
conclusions but i've got a pretty

2086
01:27:14,470 --> 01:27:13,199
profound black triangle sighting over my

2087
01:27:16,310 --> 01:27:14,480
house

2088
01:27:17,110 --> 01:27:16,320
five months after the

2089
01:27:18,709 --> 01:27:17,120
the

2090
01:27:22,070 --> 01:27:18,719
tic tac incident

2091
01:27:24,149 --> 01:27:22,080
um i've got some some really weird

2092
01:27:25,830 --> 01:27:24,159
memories that involve frankly with

2093
01:27:28,070 --> 01:27:25,840
saucers and what most of us would

2094
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:28,080
consider to be archetypal

2095
01:27:31,030 --> 01:27:29,040
um

2096
01:27:33,669 --> 01:27:31,040
figures that other people report in them

2097
01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:33,679
i hold a lot of that close to the chest

2098
01:27:36,629 --> 01:27:34,800
because

2099
01:27:38,390 --> 01:27:36,639
i'm in a space right now where if i

2100
01:27:41,590 --> 01:27:38,400
start saying all that stuff a lot of

2101
01:27:45,669 --> 01:27:44,070
make generalizations i think i think we

2102
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:45,679
jump to a lot of conclusions make a lot

2103
01:27:49,110 --> 01:27:47,280
of generalizations

2104
01:27:51,030 --> 01:27:49,120
i'm not claiming

2105
01:27:52,950 --> 01:27:51,040
any conclusions of experience i have

2106
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:52,960
perceptions and memories

2107
01:27:55,990 --> 01:27:54,239
and so they don't they don't come

2108
01:27:57,990 --> 01:27:56,000
through for me

2109
01:28:00,790 --> 01:27:58,000
painting a completely linear picture

2110
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:00,800
that makes sense and when i study the

2111
01:28:05,030 --> 01:28:03,360
data of other witnesses and

2112
01:28:07,350 --> 01:28:05,040
so-called channelers and remote viewers

2113
01:28:08,229 --> 01:28:07,360
etc which i do find that information to

2114
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:08,239
be

2115
01:28:12,470 --> 01:28:10,400
valuable if you're willing to understand

2116
01:28:15,750 --> 01:28:12,480
what analytical overlay and what

2117
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:15,760
emotional overlay are um

2118
01:28:19,910 --> 01:28:18,000
but i still have an unknown in my life

2119
01:28:21,430 --> 01:28:19,920
now i have an unknown that i seem to

2120
01:28:23,590 --> 01:28:21,440
bump into

2121
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,600
um my family and i have recently in the

2122
01:28:27,189 --> 01:28:26,000
last couple of weeks experienced you

2123
01:28:28,790 --> 01:28:27,199
know what

2124
01:28:30,070 --> 01:28:28,800
some people like to call the hitchhiker

2125
01:28:31,669 --> 01:28:30,080
effect

2126
01:28:33,350 --> 01:28:31,679
um

2127
01:28:35,270 --> 01:28:33,360
and and frankly as a family we're pretty

2128
01:28:37,590 --> 01:28:35,280
happy and healthy and

2129
01:28:40,470 --> 01:28:37,600
well balanced and get along good and

2130
01:28:42,470 --> 01:28:40,480
so i don't have the same kind of um

2131
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:42,480
brush to paint my experiences with that

2132
01:28:47,430 --> 01:28:45,360
i did just a couple of years ago or even

2133
01:28:49,990 --> 01:28:47,440
10 or 15 years ago so now i kind of live

2134
01:28:51,750 --> 01:28:50,000
in this interesting bubble

2135
01:28:52,870 --> 01:28:51,760
um

2136
01:28:54,390 --> 01:28:52,880
where

2137
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:54,400
to me we have we all have a lot of

2138
01:28:59,430 --> 01:28:57,280
observing to do you know kind of an

2139
01:29:02,390 --> 01:28:59,440
observant report for each other

2140
01:29:04,149 --> 01:29:02,400
um until we can get a consensus because

2141
01:29:06,390 --> 01:29:04,159
i think between the two of us

2142
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:06,400
what i mean what i've experienced

2143
01:29:10,070 --> 01:29:08,560
what i've seen what i've witnessed

2144
01:29:11,189 --> 01:29:10,080
isn't that much different than a lot of

2145
01:29:13,270 --> 01:29:11,199
other people

2146
01:29:15,430 --> 01:29:13,280
but it's just that i can't find enough

2147
01:29:17,430 --> 01:29:15,440
people that group together to agree on

2148
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:17,440
what that experience means

2149
01:29:20,470 --> 01:29:18,480
you know what i'm saying it's not the

2150
01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:20,480
time i do i do

2151
01:29:25,830 --> 01:29:23,600
my only comment to that sean and

2152
01:29:26,790 --> 01:29:25,840
maybe you'll find comfort in this

2153
01:29:30,390 --> 01:29:26,800
but

2154
01:29:33,430 --> 01:29:30,400
there there can't be

2155
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:33,440
one specific type

2156
01:29:41,110 --> 01:29:38,400
of craft or a race of beings or planets

2157
01:29:44,629 --> 01:29:41,120
that is visiting us

2158
01:29:47,590 --> 01:29:44,639
the the number is just too large

2159
01:29:50,149 --> 01:29:47,600
and we may not be seeing the same thing

2160
01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:50,159
even twice

2161
01:29:53,350 --> 01:29:51,600
right and it leads us to a really

2162
01:29:55,430 --> 01:29:53,360
important question that i think

2163
01:29:56,790 --> 01:29:55,440
that all of us in this in this field of

2164
01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:56,800
study need to

2165
01:30:02,310 --> 01:29:58,960
see the two sides of a coin a lot of us

2166
01:30:04,629 --> 01:30:02,320
want to see a plethora of visitors

2167
01:30:07,189 --> 01:30:04,639
some of us see a single point of control

2168
01:30:09,030 --> 01:30:07,199
right and perception and i think that's

2169
01:30:11,750 --> 01:30:09,040
one of the first answers that we have to

2170
01:30:14,070 --> 01:30:11,760
endeavor to find out because i don't

2171
01:30:16,950 --> 01:30:14,080
have that answer i'm just as confused am

2172
01:30:19,189 --> 01:30:16,960
i being is jacques vallee right are we

2173
01:30:21,189 --> 01:30:19,199
seeing a masquerade

2174
01:30:23,590 --> 01:30:21,199
or you know or are we seeing something

2175
01:30:25,510 --> 01:30:23,600
that is completely outside of what we've

2176
01:30:28,310 --> 01:30:25,520
been studying and talking about are we

2177
01:30:31,910 --> 01:30:28,320
seeing a an after effect

2178
01:30:33,910 --> 01:30:31,920
or or you know or even uh even a a

2179
01:30:36,310 --> 01:30:33,920
complete ruse you know what i mean i

2180
01:30:38,470 --> 01:30:36,320
mean are there a thousand varieties

2181
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:38,480
because the roulette wheel changes every

2182
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:39,600
time

2183
01:30:44,070 --> 01:30:42,480
something does it you know there's some

2184
01:30:46,790 --> 01:30:44,080
archetypes yeah there's a seven there's

2185
01:30:49,350 --> 01:30:46,800
some cherries right you know some people

2186
01:30:51,110 --> 01:30:49,360
seem to get three cherries indoors so

2187
01:30:53,750 --> 01:30:51,120
yes yes yes yes

2188
01:30:55,669 --> 01:30:53,760
um and okay

2189
01:30:57,590 --> 01:30:55,679
but you didn't answer the question

2190
01:31:00,229 --> 01:30:57,600
though let me do it let me try again

2191
01:31:01,590 --> 01:31:00,239
okay so we've got uh 60 seconds give it

2192
01:31:04,550 --> 01:31:01,600
your best shot

2193
01:31:06,950 --> 01:31:04,560
while deployed did you go through

2194
01:31:09,270 --> 01:31:06,960
another incident like that not in 20

2195
01:31:12,470 --> 01:31:09,280
years no nothing else on active duty

2196
01:31:13,910 --> 01:31:12,480
because and with um uh

2197
01:31:15,669 --> 01:31:13,920
you've heard the same things that i've

2198
01:31:17,830 --> 01:31:15,679
heard and they're out there in the media

2199
01:31:20,070 --> 01:31:17,840
you know we've been encountering these

2200
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:20,080
every day for a couple of years off of

2201
01:31:23,750 --> 01:31:21,600
the east coast

2202
01:31:25,830 --> 01:31:23,760
i can i can verify the rumor mill on

2203
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:25,840
that i i speak to folks you know

2204
01:31:29,189 --> 01:31:27,440
non-officially i live in the fleet

2205
01:31:31,110 --> 01:31:29,199
concentration area yeah

2206
01:31:32,709 --> 01:31:31,120
our destroyers and cruisers are getting

2207
01:31:34,070 --> 01:31:32,719
i hate to say chased back but they're

2208
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:34,080
going out and the range is fouled and

2209
01:31:37,669 --> 01:31:36,480
they can't train that has happened on

2210
01:31:40,629 --> 01:31:37,679
more than one occasion in the last

2211
01:31:42,750 --> 01:31:40,639
couple of years now um i like the foul

2212
01:31:45,110 --> 01:31:42,760
comment because that is also in the

2213
01:31:48,229 --> 01:31:45,120
uaptf report

2214
01:31:51,110 --> 01:31:48,239
and one that i like the way you just

2215
01:31:53,030 --> 01:31:51,120
dropped that what is a foul

2216
01:31:55,669 --> 01:31:53,040
we're not talking baseball we'll do that

2217
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when we come back after the break this

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is fade to black i'm nervous to be

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teammates tonight sean cahill is with us

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we come back uh i'm gonna save the uap

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uh task force report for the next break

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because when we get uh back after the

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break it's all about sky four

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church sean cahill is with us

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tonight tomorrow night's fader night

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with open lines all night long and uh

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01:37:00,629 --> 01:36:58,400
what a great conversation so far

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01:37:02,229 --> 01:37:00,639
and i've got this vibe that we're just

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getting started

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01:37:07,750 --> 01:37:04,719
and uh and i hate to let the last

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segment go but we've got too much to get

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01:37:13,350 --> 01:37:10,639
into tonight and and sean

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01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:13,360
um last year

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i started to get these emails right and

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uh

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01:37:20,790 --> 01:37:19,040
okay church

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if you really want to know what's going

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01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:22,239
on

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01:37:25,590 --> 01:37:24,639
check out sky fort

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01:37:27,750 --> 01:37:25,600
this is

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01:37:29,990 --> 01:37:27,760
the agencies man they've got this

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01:37:32,310 --> 01:37:30,000
project sky fort and i it was just

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01:37:34,629 --> 01:37:32,320
coming in and coming in and coming and

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01:37:37,189 --> 01:37:34,639
now i got to say

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just the name

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01:37:42,229 --> 01:37:39,600
just gets the imagination going right

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okay all right all right now

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uh

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01:37:48,870 --> 01:37:46,480
i'm just gonna straight up

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is this an agency-led

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01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:50,000
uh

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01:37:58,310 --> 01:37:53,040
no

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01:37:59,350 --> 01:37:58,320
people think okay all right all right

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01:38:04,950 --> 01:37:59,360
uh

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01:38:06,550 --> 01:38:04,960
well as as our website does say we are a

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01:38:08,390 --> 01:38:06,560
think tank an incubator that's working

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01:38:10,709 --> 01:38:08,400
on the uap problem

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01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:10,719
um we're most interested in getting

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01:38:14,870 --> 01:38:12,960
people the right subject matter experts

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01:38:15,669 --> 01:38:14,880
that can attack this problem the right

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01:38:16,709 --> 01:38:15,679
way

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01:38:20,149 --> 01:38:16,719
networked

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01:38:21,750 --> 01:38:20,159
um educated and invigorated frankly and

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01:38:24,229 --> 01:38:21,760
then really there's not much for us to

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01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:24,239
do after that you know that is the most

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01:38:28,790 --> 01:38:26,960
vague thing i've ever heard

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01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:28,800
and that really sets people off man

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01:38:32,070 --> 01:38:30,000
right

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01:38:34,870 --> 01:38:32,080
let me give you a few key details

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01:38:36,950 --> 01:38:34,880
last year i made 38 dollars at skyford

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01:38:39,270 --> 01:38:36,960
i'm very proud of that right on

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01:38:41,109 --> 01:38:39,280
um that in fact my wife's really proud

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01:38:41,830 --> 01:38:41,119
of that 38 dollars it did it went a long

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01:38:45,430 --> 01:38:41,840
way

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01:38:47,669 --> 01:38:45,440
um but skyford looks pretty but skyford

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01:38:48,870 --> 01:38:47,679
is three friends who saw that lou needed

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01:38:50,629 --> 01:38:48,880
help

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01:38:52,629 --> 01:38:50,639
and we said to ourselves what can we do

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01:38:55,350 --> 01:38:52,639
so we went and we visited him

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01:38:58,149 --> 01:38:55,360
i and we helped him you know

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01:39:00,229 --> 01:38:58,159
frankly just administratively taking a

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01:39:01,750 --> 01:39:00,239
load off of him you know making a few

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01:39:04,709 --> 01:39:01,760
calls for him helping with his

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01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:04,719
scheduling helping frankly vet folks

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01:39:08,870 --> 01:39:06,560
he's got an inbox full of folks that all

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01:39:11,430 --> 01:39:08,880
want something from him who's going to

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01:39:13,270 --> 01:39:11,440
who's going to provide

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01:39:15,510 --> 01:39:13,280
you know um

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01:39:18,149 --> 01:39:15,520
ah frank let's be real man who's a

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01:39:19,910 --> 01:39:18,159
startup who's established who's who's

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01:39:21,270 --> 01:39:19,920
doing good research who's all over the

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01:39:22,709 --> 01:39:21,280
map or or

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01:39:24,790 --> 01:39:22,719
i don't like using the word woo we use

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01:39:26,229 --> 01:39:24,800
it too much that that needs to be part

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01:39:28,229 --> 01:39:26,239
of our studies and our science we need

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01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:28,239
to understand what we call wu

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01:39:31,910 --> 01:39:30,560
but um but that's what we were we came

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01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:31,920
together to do that but we looked at

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01:39:34,629 --> 01:39:33,199
each other and were like how are we

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01:39:37,030 --> 01:39:34,639
gonna do this

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01:39:40,070 --> 01:39:37,040
as three dudes

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01:39:43,030 --> 01:39:40,080
you know and we said to ourselves well

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01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:43,040
how do companies form well one dude or

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01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:45,199
woman you know a guy or a man or a woman

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01:39:47,750 --> 01:39:46,560
decides they're going to form a company

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01:39:48,790 --> 01:39:47,760
well there's three of us let's form a

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01:39:50,790 --> 01:39:48,800
company

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01:39:52,070 --> 01:39:50,800
and so we went through a process of real

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01:39:53,669 --> 01:39:52,080
saying to ourselves do we just need to

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01:39:56,070 --> 01:39:53,679
be a website because what we're doing is

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01:39:58,629 --> 01:39:56,080
really classified as activism

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01:40:01,109 --> 01:39:58,639
if you think about it we we want to

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01:40:02,950 --> 01:40:01,119
we want we are activists trying to bring

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01:40:05,430 --> 01:40:02,960
clarity to a subject that we think is

2391
01:40:08,310 --> 01:40:05,440
mired down in nonsense we have been

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01:40:09,510 --> 01:40:08,320
exposed to some of the clarity because

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01:40:11,910 --> 01:40:09,520
that's through the folks that we've

2394
01:40:13,750 --> 01:40:11,920
worked with now we have to i don't want

2395
01:40:15,030 --> 01:40:13,760
to keep calling it nonsense because

2396
01:40:17,030 --> 01:40:15,040
we're talking about a field all of us

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01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:17,040
take very seriously so i don't want to

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01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:18,480
keep saying that

2399
01:40:21,750 --> 01:40:19,920
but we're like

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01:40:23,189 --> 01:40:21,760
honestly man the world's not gonna it

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01:40:24,629 --> 01:40:23,199
doesn't take people seriously unless

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01:40:27,270 --> 01:40:24,639
they you know you know how they say you

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01:40:29,030 --> 01:40:27,280
put on a grab a clipboard and put on a

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01:40:31,910 --> 01:40:29,040
hard hat and you can get in anywhere

2405
01:40:33,590 --> 01:40:31,920
theatrics is half of the sale so

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01:40:36,709 --> 01:40:33,600
we have a website we have a mission

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01:40:39,109 --> 01:40:36,719
statement and we formed an llc but that

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01:40:40,950 --> 01:40:39,119
like i said 38 bucks last year you know

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01:40:43,270 --> 01:40:40,960
we're not in this to make money we're

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01:40:45,510 --> 01:40:43,280
not we we're we're not

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01:40:46,470 --> 01:40:45,520
courting contracts we're not courting

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01:40:48,310 --> 01:40:46,480
anything

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01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:48,320
we got together so we would have a way

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01:40:53,430 --> 01:40:51,119
to shelter ourselves you know attack a

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01:40:55,109 --> 01:40:53,440
tax shelter for expenses and things like

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01:40:56,950 --> 01:40:55,119
that but this has all come out of our

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01:40:59,030 --> 01:40:56,960
pocket helping a friend

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01:41:00,629 --> 01:40:59,040
and because of where that friend comes

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01:41:02,070 --> 01:41:00,639
from just like and i'm not i'm not

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01:41:03,030 --> 01:41:02,080
busting your chops man but just like

2421
01:41:04,390 --> 01:41:03,040
earlier when you were trying to break

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01:41:05,910 --> 01:41:04,400
down what i did for a living you're like

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01:41:08,149 --> 01:41:05,920
that sounds like it's clandestine it

2424
01:41:09,350 --> 01:41:08,159
sounds like right right right this is

2425
01:41:10,950 --> 01:41:09,360
another one of those things that we got

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01:41:12,070 --> 01:41:10,960
to peel the born

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01:41:14,149 --> 01:41:12,080
identity

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01:41:16,629 --> 01:41:14,159
veneer off of this stuff

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01:41:18,790 --> 01:41:16,639
you know what i mean yes and and it is

2430
01:41:21,030 --> 01:41:18,800
what it is we were just as shocked as

2431
01:41:23,030 --> 01:41:21,040
everybody else when tucker carlson quote

2432
01:41:24,709 --> 01:41:23,040
unquote outed us on his show

2433
01:41:26,149 --> 01:41:24,719
and there was a minor kerfuffle over

2434
01:41:27,669 --> 01:41:26,159
that with people thinking that we were

2435
01:41:29,750 --> 01:41:27,679
pushing out things and claiming they

2436
01:41:31,510 --> 01:41:29,760
were a certain way it's like nah man

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01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:31,520
literally before a friend went on a show

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01:41:34,229 --> 01:41:32,400
we

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01:41:35,830 --> 01:41:34,239
pulled documents off you know either out

2440
01:41:37,750 --> 01:41:35,840
of our archives or off the internet we

2441
01:41:39,350 --> 01:41:37,760
were like we think these would be useful

2442
01:41:41,590 --> 01:41:39,360
and there was a mix up with the producer

2443
01:41:44,629 --> 01:41:41,600
where they thought we were pro you know

2444
01:41:46,629 --> 01:41:44,639
this was provided by skyford and so a

2445
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:46,639
lot of a lot of gravitas got put

2446
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:48,960
underneath us and assumptions at first

2447
01:41:53,669 --> 01:41:51,440
but we had to rush that night

2448
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:53,679
we we weren't publishing anything yet

2449
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,440
you know we we weren't there was no big

2450
01:41:59,189 --> 01:41:57,119
announcement it was

2451
01:42:00,470 --> 01:41:59,199
and then we had to rush to lock our

2452
01:42:03,030 --> 01:42:00,480
website up

2453
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:03,040
because um i think it was adam kehoe you

2454
01:42:07,990 --> 01:42:03,840
know

2455
01:42:10,229 --> 01:42:08,000
to see all the metadata and we were like

2456
01:42:11,910 --> 01:42:10,239
holy geez man you know we haven't even

2457
01:42:13,669 --> 01:42:11,920
said our names yet and we've already got

2458
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:13,679
folks you know i'm not going to call

2459
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:15,360
that hacking that's just you know

2460
01:42:19,910 --> 01:42:17,520
looking at source page source right

2461
01:42:21,510 --> 01:42:19,920
right you know and no no disrespect to

2462
01:42:23,990 --> 01:42:21,520
adam because he was doing his job and he

2463
01:42:26,070 --> 01:42:24,000
reached out to us and asked us questions

2464
01:42:29,189 --> 01:42:26,080
and and did us a solid

2465
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:29,199
you know well you know the uh the rumors

2466
01:42:33,270 --> 01:42:31,840
got started very very quickly

2467
01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:33,280
and uh

2468
01:42:38,709 --> 01:42:35,760
and and things got out so let's clarify

2469
01:42:40,310 --> 01:42:38,719
some of this because a big chunk of it

2470
01:42:41,550 --> 01:42:40,320
was uh

2471
01:42:43,109 --> 01:42:41,560
this is an

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01:42:47,430 --> 01:42:43,119
agency-led

2473
01:42:49,030 --> 01:42:47,440
uh management front that is handling

2474
01:42:53,590 --> 01:42:49,040
lou elizondo

2475
01:42:56,149 --> 01:42:53,600
that is uh going to be initiating uh the

2476
01:42:57,350 --> 01:42:56,159
government interface between what is

2477
01:43:00,390 --> 01:42:57,360
going on

2478
01:43:02,790 --> 01:43:00,400
what lou is presenting uh is going to

2479
01:43:05,270 --> 01:43:02,800
handle everything with the media from

2480
01:43:07,030 --> 01:43:05,280
now on and how lou presents himself and

2481
01:43:09,270 --> 01:43:07,040
what show is going to go on they are

2482
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:09,280
going to negotiate with the producers

2483
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:11,600
with without oh you heard the same

2484
01:43:15,430 --> 01:43:13,600
things that i heard right sure yeah yeah

2485
01:43:17,109 --> 01:43:15,440
and i'm curious

2486
01:43:18,790 --> 01:43:17,119
if all those people have that evidence

2487
01:43:20,550 --> 01:43:18,800
why don't they slam us

2488
01:43:23,030 --> 01:43:20,560
that just sounds like another narrative

2489
01:43:24,070 --> 01:43:23,040
see that and that's again i i want to

2490
01:43:25,510 --> 01:43:24,080
keep it positive with you and i cause

2491
01:43:26,950 --> 01:43:25,520
you and i have good rapport man we i

2492
01:43:27,910 --> 01:43:26,960
think we can have a great conversation

2493
01:43:29,990 --> 01:43:27,920
right i'm not worried that we're going

2494
01:43:31,750 --> 01:43:30,000
to go down a negative road but let's be

2495
01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:31,760
real right that's the problem in our

2496
01:43:36,229 --> 01:43:33,760
field right now is someone said here's

2497
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,239
what i think is going on

2498
01:43:40,390 --> 01:43:38,800
i'm so tired of that i i get it but

2499
01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:40,400
let's take the data

2500
01:43:43,590 --> 01:43:41,920
and let's pull it in and then let's say

2501
01:43:45,030 --> 01:43:43,600
here's what i think is going on based on

2502
01:43:46,790 --> 01:43:45,040
the following evidence

2503
01:43:48,950 --> 01:43:46,800
not based on my feeling because i don't

2504
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:48,960
trust spooky shadowy three-letter agency

2505
01:43:53,669 --> 01:43:50,840
people and ex-military

2506
01:43:55,590 --> 01:43:53,679
folks i we can't live on this on this

2507
01:43:57,350 --> 01:43:55,600
moment of of of

2508
01:43:58,870 --> 01:43:57,360
i support the troops

2509
01:44:01,189 --> 01:43:58,880
unless it goes against my politics or

2510
01:44:03,109 --> 01:44:01,199
what i want or i support the you know

2511
01:44:04,470 --> 01:44:03,119
yes that that's the thing

2512
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:04,480
so

2513
01:44:09,510 --> 01:44:06,880
i can't play that game no i can't either

2514
01:44:11,830 --> 01:44:09,520
and i've uh look you know

2515
01:44:15,430 --> 01:44:11,840
uh i've been up against the same thing

2516
01:44:17,750 --> 01:44:15,440
uh you know i'm uh i'm a caia operative

2517
01:44:20,550 --> 01:44:17,760
i'm a c.i.a shill

2518
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,560
uh people pay me to come on this show

2519
01:44:24,149 --> 01:44:22,320
and by the way thank you for the 38

2520
01:44:26,390 --> 01:44:24,159
bucks

2521
01:44:28,709 --> 01:44:26,400
to come on the show tonight and and i've

2522
01:44:31,590 --> 01:44:28,719
been up against the you know that i am

2523
01:44:35,109 --> 01:44:31,600
some agency supported

2524
01:44:37,750 --> 01:44:35,119
uh uh talking head yeah and and and i've

2525
01:44:39,350 --> 01:44:37,760
been fighting and it's so funny sean i

2526
01:44:40,629 --> 01:44:39,360
say the same thing that you've just said

2527
01:44:42,790 --> 01:44:40,639
right now walk

2528
01:44:46,390 --> 01:44:42,800
walk a day in my shoes

2529
01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:46,400
see what i actually do yeah

2530
01:44:50,709 --> 01:44:48,880
there is no i

2531
01:44:52,310 --> 01:44:50,719
and if the agency is pulling it off

2532
01:44:54,229 --> 01:44:52,320
they're really good at their job because

2533
01:44:55,830 --> 01:44:54,239
i'm not aware of any of it when they're

2534
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,840
still hiding my paycheck i assume

2535
01:44:59,830 --> 01:44:57,600
they're hiding yours too yeah i haven't

2536
01:45:02,470 --> 01:44:59,840
cashed it yet just hoping for that back

2537
01:45:05,030 --> 01:45:02,480
pay yeah yeah yeah i'm anxious to see

2538
01:45:06,950 --> 01:45:05,040
that that cia check

2539
01:45:10,470 --> 01:45:06,960
uh and see see what that thing looks

2540
01:45:11,910 --> 01:45:10,480
like okay so um and the the ultimate

2541
01:45:14,870 --> 01:45:11,920
objective

2542
01:45:17,830 --> 01:45:14,880
uh for skye for i i've read your mission

2543
01:45:21,510 --> 01:45:17,840
statement but uh for you here for the

2544
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:21,520
audience what is the mission statement

2545
01:45:23,990 --> 01:45:22,800
for me the mission

2546
01:45:26,550 --> 01:45:24,000
you know the mission statement on the

2547
01:45:27,910 --> 01:45:26,560
website anybody can read that but for me

2548
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:27,920
getting back to a couple of things you

2549
01:45:32,149 --> 01:45:30,880
asked about the name um

2550
01:45:34,149 --> 01:45:32,159
you know the iconography some of the

2551
01:45:35,510 --> 01:45:34,159
pictures we use and stuff like that

2552
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:35,520
to me when we were when we were trying

2553
01:45:38,070 --> 01:45:36,880
to come up with a name we wanted to come

2554
01:45:39,750 --> 01:45:38,080
up with something of course that was

2555
01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:39,760
cool i'm not we're not gonna lie about

2556
01:45:44,550 --> 01:45:42,159
that one something that was cool

2557
01:45:46,310 --> 01:45:44,560
and we wanted something that had to do

2558
01:45:47,350 --> 01:45:46,320
that made sense to the subject you know

2559
01:45:48,790 --> 01:45:47,360
you're not going to call yourself the

2560
01:45:50,229 --> 01:45:48,800
pineapple brothers and get into the

2561
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:50,239
apple business

2562
01:45:53,030 --> 01:45:51,440
but

2563
01:45:54,470 --> 01:45:53,040
when i looked at it i thought you know

2564
01:45:57,109 --> 01:45:54,480
we started throwing names around things

2565
01:45:58,870 --> 01:45:57,119
like that having fun with it and when i

2566
01:46:00,310 --> 01:45:58,880
think i think i someone else threw out

2567
01:46:01,430 --> 01:46:00,320
sky something

2568
01:46:03,669 --> 01:46:01,440
i think we said the thing when somebody

2569
01:46:05,030 --> 01:46:03,679
said sky net and it became a really bad

2570
01:46:06,310 --> 01:46:05,040
joke like we were just gonna throw skye

2571
01:46:08,070 --> 01:46:06,320
out of the whole thing

2572
01:46:09,590 --> 01:46:08,080
you know we're like that's just asking

2573
01:46:11,510 --> 01:46:09,600
for it and there's a thousand other sky

2574
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:11,520
nets no one wants to be associated with

2575
01:46:15,189 --> 01:46:13,760
that name but i said what about a sky

2576
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:15,199
fort

2577
01:46:18,070 --> 01:46:16,960
and we had a conversation about it and

2578
01:46:19,510 --> 01:46:18,080
they were like what do you mean i said

2579
01:46:21,270 --> 01:46:19,520
well to me it to me things have

2580
01:46:23,109 --> 01:46:21,280
multifaceted me i like things that have

2581
01:46:24,629 --> 01:46:23,119
multi-faceted meanings i like a title of

2582
01:46:26,229 --> 01:46:24,639
a song that has a deeper meaning than

2583
01:46:28,149 --> 01:46:26,239
the lyrics you know and and a

2584
01:46:30,149 --> 01:46:28,159
juxtaposition of the music

2585
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:30,159
so i said well skyford that's where you

2586
01:46:33,669 --> 01:46:32,400
you keep your lofty values

2587
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:33,679
that's where you that's where you keep

2588
01:46:37,030 --> 01:46:35,360
your big ideals

2589
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:37,040
and you you know and that's where you

2590
01:46:40,390 --> 01:46:38,719
raise up your dreams and you do things

2591
01:46:42,950 --> 01:46:40,400
like that and i was and when we started

2592
01:46:44,870 --> 01:46:42,960
talking about iconography i was like man

2593
01:46:47,030 --> 01:46:44,880
a freaking triangle coming out from

2594
01:46:49,590 --> 01:46:47,040
behind a cloud to me

2595
01:46:51,510 --> 01:46:49,600
seems like the biggest

2596
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,520
message we can send of what we want to

2597
01:46:55,350 --> 01:46:53,520
show we want to bring things out from

2598
01:46:57,750 --> 01:46:55,360
being obscured and bring them into the

2599
01:47:00,070 --> 01:46:57,760
light where we can all see them and

2600
01:47:01,990 --> 01:47:00,080
you know some folks might not like the

2601
01:47:03,350 --> 01:47:02,000
the the flowery nature of all that but

2602
01:47:04,149 --> 01:47:03,360
to me that's the kind of stuff that

2603
01:47:05,990 --> 01:47:04,159
really

2604
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:06,000
hammers home an ideal

2605
01:47:09,350 --> 01:47:07,600
you know you don't just grab a flashy

2606
01:47:11,430 --> 01:47:09,360
picture and a cute name it's gotta mean

2607
01:47:13,510 --> 01:47:11,440
something to you and whatever we're

2608
01:47:15,910 --> 01:47:13,520
dealing with here

2609
01:47:18,390 --> 01:47:15,920
i want it to come out and and identify

2610
01:47:21,669 --> 01:47:18,400
itself most certainly but if it's not

2611
01:47:26,870 --> 01:47:21,679
going to then i want us to find it

2612
01:47:29,990 --> 01:47:27,669
is

2613
01:47:33,189 --> 01:47:30,000
the department of defense

2614
01:47:36,790 --> 01:47:33,199
in any of the 19 intelligence agencies

2615
01:47:38,310 --> 01:47:36,800
that are running today

2616
01:47:39,830 --> 01:47:38,320
we can even talk about private

2617
01:47:41,430 --> 01:47:39,840
corporations

2618
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:41,440
are they

2619
01:47:45,830 --> 01:47:43,360
sitting on

2620
01:47:50,310 --> 01:47:45,840
the real stuff

2621
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,320
is there crash retrievals do they have a

2622
01:47:54,709 --> 01:47:52,800
technology not of this earth are they

2623
01:47:56,709 --> 01:47:54,719
sitting on film clips do they have

2624
01:48:00,950 --> 01:47:56,719
interviews uh with

2625
01:48:04,950 --> 01:48:00,960
with little grays at area 51 on tape

2626
01:48:06,790 --> 01:48:04,960
are they sitting on that information

2627
01:48:09,350 --> 01:48:06,800
now at the risk of validating any of

2628
01:48:11,030 --> 01:48:09,360
those specific points

2629
01:48:13,910 --> 01:48:11,040
let me give you a blanket answer of i

2630
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:13,920
think so i do think that that

2631
01:48:21,189 --> 01:48:17,040
the information of the type that we seek

2632
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:21,199
as a as a as a constituency a community

2633
01:48:25,109 --> 01:48:22,960
yeah as a community

2634
01:48:28,229 --> 01:48:25,119
i do believe that the evidence we seek

2635
01:48:29,590 --> 01:48:28,239
exists in in the places that you

2636
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:29,600
mentioned

2637
01:48:32,470 --> 01:48:30,320
now

2638
01:48:35,350 --> 01:48:32,480
what is the quality of that evidence

2639
01:48:37,830 --> 01:48:35,360
what is the prepondency of that evidence

2640
01:48:39,189 --> 01:48:37,840
what are the conclusions i do not know

2641
01:48:41,669 --> 01:48:39,199
are we going to be incredibly

2642
01:48:44,229 --> 01:48:41,679
disappointed are we going to be

2643
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:44,239
shocked and odd i don't know

2644
01:48:46,950 --> 01:48:45,440
however

2645
01:48:49,590 --> 01:48:46,960
i think that

2646
01:48:51,590 --> 01:48:49,600
we've gotten to a point in this subject

2647
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:51,600
where we would be remiss to say there's

2648
01:48:55,430 --> 01:48:53,600
we can't say there's no past

2649
01:48:57,109 --> 01:48:55,440
we can't say that there's no secrecy

2650
01:48:58,390 --> 01:48:57,119
that there is no

2651
01:49:00,790 --> 01:48:58,400
shady men

2652
01:49:03,669 --> 01:49:00,800
involved in this and military industrial

2653
01:49:06,390 --> 01:49:03,679
complex warnings by by men like by

2654
01:49:08,550 --> 01:49:06,400
dwight d eisenhower etc

2655
01:49:10,390 --> 01:49:08,560
we would be silly we would be ostriches

2656
01:49:12,390 --> 01:49:10,400
with our head in the sand

2657
01:49:14,709 --> 01:49:12,400
to ignore what seems obvious to the most

2658
01:49:16,229 --> 01:49:14,719
casual observer that a 70-year cover-up

2659
01:49:17,189 --> 01:49:16,239
has gone on

2660
01:49:18,550 --> 01:49:17,199
now

2661
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:18,560
i want to say that we should be careful

2662
01:49:22,390 --> 01:49:20,320
and i i'm man i'm so afraid people are

2663
01:49:24,629 --> 01:49:22,400
going to think of me as an apologist but

2664
01:49:27,189 --> 01:49:24,639
the department of defense is not an

2665
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:27,199
edifice with a loudspeaker on it

2666
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:29,280
that pumps out one

2667
01:49:33,270 --> 01:49:31,119
mission one goal

2668
01:49:34,629 --> 01:49:33,280
etcetera it's it's a very large

2669
01:49:38,629 --> 01:49:34,639
structure

2670
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:38,639
and i'm not blaming this on bureaucrats

2671
01:49:43,109 --> 01:49:40,400
i'm not blaming it completely on career

2672
01:49:44,709 --> 01:49:43,119
politicians or career defense officials

2673
01:49:47,030 --> 01:49:44,719
but we know that there are people that

2674
01:49:48,950 --> 01:49:47,040
do have careers that span those periods

2675
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:48,960
of time they do

2676
01:49:53,990 --> 01:49:51,520
carve out fifedoms for themselves create

2677
01:49:55,910 --> 01:49:54,000
allies they do have ideologies that may

2678
01:49:57,990 --> 01:49:55,920
be contrary to those of the american

2679
01:49:59,109 --> 01:49:58,000
people or the constituency that they

2680
01:50:01,270 --> 01:49:59,119
represent

2681
01:50:02,390 --> 01:50:01,280
as i mentioned on a previous show we've

2682
01:50:04,790 --> 01:50:02,400
seen

2683
01:50:07,030 --> 01:50:04,800
our representatives argue at their town

2684
01:50:09,030 --> 01:50:07,040
halls with their constituents where have

2685
01:50:10,550 --> 01:50:09,040
we gotten when they're not listening

2686
01:50:12,870 --> 01:50:10,560
when they're trying to tell the people

2687
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:12,880
what to think instead of listening to

2688
01:50:16,790 --> 01:50:14,480
what the people think i may not agree

2689
01:50:18,790 --> 01:50:16,800
with every constituency in this country

2690
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:18,800
but a community that can come together

2691
01:50:22,950 --> 01:50:20,639
and express themselves has a right to be

2692
01:50:25,030 --> 01:50:22,960
represented in washington dc

2693
01:50:27,270 --> 01:50:25,040
so the question is is

2694
01:50:29,830 --> 01:50:27,280
how are we going to get from

2695
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:29,840
frankly we may have got screwed

2696
01:50:33,510 --> 01:50:31,840
to how do we get better

2697
01:50:34,629 --> 01:50:33,520
honestly let's break it down to brass

2698
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:34,639
tacks

2699
01:50:38,149 --> 01:50:35,840
i think the first thing that we have to

2700
01:50:40,790 --> 01:50:38,159
do is create a mechanism for for those

2701
01:50:42,470 --> 01:50:40,800
who are aware of those programs

2702
01:50:44,870 --> 01:50:42,480
who would be willing to tell us about

2703
01:50:47,430 --> 01:50:44,880
them to come forward and to do so some

2704
01:50:49,990 --> 01:50:47,440
kind of executive oversight some kind of

2705
01:50:52,070 --> 01:50:50,000
of overarching authority needs to

2706
01:50:53,910 --> 01:50:52,080
provide a place where people can come

2707
01:50:56,229 --> 01:50:53,920
out and tell the truth the people with

2708
01:50:58,550 --> 01:50:56,239
the ndas the people that that there are

2709
01:51:01,990 --> 01:50:58,560
rumors of threats against them whether

2710
01:51:03,750 --> 01:51:02,000
it's reputational or whether it's it's

2711
01:51:06,470 --> 01:51:03,760
in body

2712
01:51:09,350 --> 01:51:06,480
those people need to be given a a safe

2713
01:51:11,910 --> 01:51:09,360
harbor a place where they can come into

2714
01:51:13,510 --> 01:51:11,920
and finally be debriefed and finally

2715
01:51:15,750 --> 01:51:13,520
report

2716
01:51:17,510 --> 01:51:15,760
and and frankly i think a lot of people

2717
01:51:20,229 --> 01:51:17,520
are going to want to hang any

2718
01:51:22,310 --> 01:51:20,239
representative high that comes out and

2719
01:51:23,589 --> 01:51:22,320
takes any kind of responsibility for the

2720
01:51:25,750 --> 01:51:23,599
past

2721
01:51:27,109 --> 01:51:25,760
and i'm alluding to what we've all

2722
01:51:28,470 --> 01:51:27,119
researched

2723
01:51:30,950 --> 01:51:28,480
and i'm not going to call out any

2724
01:51:33,030 --> 01:51:30,960
specifics but if a single

2725
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:33,040
if a single law was broken in the course

2726
01:51:36,950 --> 01:51:34,880
of the seventy year investigation you

2727
01:51:39,430 --> 01:51:36,960
know that that's we have to focus on

2728
01:51:41,990 --> 01:51:39,440
that law and order is important our

2729
01:51:43,990 --> 01:51:42,000
constitution is important but if we get

2730
01:51:45,830 --> 01:51:44,000
mired down in that

2731
01:51:47,669 --> 01:51:45,840
if we if we can't move forward with

2732
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:47,679
these studies and understand them if we

2733
01:51:51,750 --> 01:51:48,800
can't

2734
01:51:53,910 --> 01:51:51,760
find those programs bring them out

2735
01:51:55,589 --> 01:51:53,920
have the the national defense data

2736
01:51:57,430 --> 01:51:55,599
scrubbed from them

2737
01:51:59,189 --> 01:51:57,440
and have them declassified to a point

2738
01:52:01,589 --> 01:51:59,199
where the philosophers

2739
01:52:04,790 --> 01:52:01,599
the the religious

2740
01:52:05,750 --> 01:52:04,800
experts the academics the sam harris's

2741
01:52:07,430 --> 01:52:05,760
you know

2742
01:52:09,189 --> 01:52:07,440
and and no offense to you and me but not

2743
01:52:10,709 --> 01:52:09,199
the jimmies and the sean's

2744
01:52:12,229 --> 01:52:10,719
but the ones who dedicated their life to

2745
01:52:14,629 --> 01:52:12,239
figuring out the other stuff who were

2746
01:52:17,430 --> 01:52:14,639
convinced this was nonsense because we

2747
01:52:19,350 --> 01:52:17,440
convinced our best this was nonsense

2748
01:52:21,830 --> 01:52:19,360
and you know what th this and this is

2749
01:52:23,109 --> 01:52:21,840
what frightens me i need your opinion on

2750
01:52:25,669 --> 01:52:23,119
this

2751
01:52:27,910 --> 01:52:25,679
the conversation that we are having

2752
01:52:30,229 --> 01:52:27,920
right now about

2753
01:52:33,510 --> 01:52:30,239
uh probably the most important subject

2754
01:52:35,109 --> 01:52:33,520
in the history of the world right okay

2755
01:52:37,669 --> 01:52:35,119
and that is not

2756
01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:37,679
that's not a joke that's not some that

2757
01:52:42,790 --> 01:52:40,239
uh you know non-trivial trivial

2758
01:52:45,030 --> 01:52:42,800
uh however you want to take that uh

2759
01:52:46,790 --> 01:52:45,040
going back to sam harris actually

2760
01:52:49,990 --> 01:52:46,800
is we wouldn't be having this

2761
01:52:52,470 --> 01:52:50,000
conversation if it wasn't for paco

2762
01:52:55,030 --> 01:52:52,480
and fighter sweep this wasn't

2763
01:52:57,830 --> 01:52:55,040
this wasn't a ttsa thing

2764
01:52:59,990 --> 01:52:57,840
this wasn't uh even a louis lozano thing

2765
01:53:03,589 --> 01:53:00,000
this wasn't an asap thing or an a-tip

2766
01:53:04,470 --> 01:53:03,599
thing it wasn't any or new york times

2767
01:53:11,430 --> 01:53:04,480
if

2768
01:53:13,750 --> 01:53:11,440
paco's site we don't have dave fravor

2769
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:13,760
and then we don't have and then we don't

2770
01:53:17,669 --> 01:53:15,679
have and then we don't have right we can

2771
01:53:18,870 --> 01:53:17,679
kind of go back and look at that moment

2772
01:53:21,109 --> 01:53:18,880
of time

2773
01:53:22,790 --> 01:53:21,119
and if paco didn't do that

2774
01:53:25,189 --> 01:53:22,800
you and i are not having this

2775
01:53:26,709 --> 01:53:25,199
conversation the gila brand amendment

2776
01:53:28,629 --> 01:53:26,719
doesn't happen

2777
01:53:31,669 --> 01:53:28,639
right right you're right

2778
01:53:35,430 --> 01:53:31,679
the end right the ndaa doesn't happen

2779
01:53:36,229 --> 01:53:35,440
marco rubio's statements don't happen

2780
01:53:39,189 --> 01:53:36,239
right

2781
01:53:40,709 --> 01:53:39,199
doesn't that sketch scares me because

2782
01:53:42,629 --> 01:53:40,719
there's a lot of this that might not

2783
01:53:45,830 --> 01:53:42,639
happen right there's a lot of this that

2784
01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:45,840
i think could still not happen

2785
01:53:50,149 --> 01:53:48,320
i mean i mean we we're

2786
01:53:51,430 --> 01:53:50,159
it is incredible

2787
01:53:53,669 --> 01:53:51,440
the the

2788
01:53:55,990 --> 01:53:53,679
the risks that were taken by people

2789
01:53:58,550 --> 01:53:56,000
the tenacity of some of those people

2790
01:54:01,669 --> 01:53:58,560
um i can't lay a single brick of shame

2791
01:54:03,510 --> 01:54:01,679
on us on anyone who came into this

2792
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:03,520
with fire and might have got burned and

2793
01:54:07,109 --> 01:54:04,960
changed their mind

2794
01:54:09,430 --> 01:54:07,119
because it it's it takes a different

2795
01:54:11,030 --> 01:54:09,440
kind of attitude to open up your inbox

2796
01:54:13,990 --> 01:54:11,040
every day and have people accusing you

2797
01:54:16,629 --> 01:54:14,000
of being a shill a cia front a wannabe

2798
01:54:19,669 --> 01:54:16,639
messiah you know some kind of some kind

2799
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:19,679
of nonsense for the next load of crap

2800
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:22,080
right um you've experienced it too you

2801
01:54:25,350 --> 01:54:23,520
of course you have i know you you know

2802
01:54:27,189 --> 01:54:25,360
we discussed that and you're you're

2803
01:54:30,470 --> 01:54:27,199
you're armored to it

2804
01:54:33,589 --> 01:54:31,910
guiding yourself through that and still

2805
01:54:36,070 --> 01:54:33,599
giving a darn every day

2806
01:54:38,709 --> 01:54:36,080
it takes a lot but we have to change

2807
01:54:40,709 --> 01:54:38,719
things man i i'm serious with the the

2808
01:54:43,109 --> 01:54:40,719
status quo has to go

2809
01:54:45,350 --> 01:54:43,119
and people have to have the same kind of

2810
01:54:48,310 --> 01:54:45,360
courage of conviction that paco had

2811
01:54:49,669 --> 01:54:48,320
that that that commander fravor had

2812
01:54:52,149 --> 01:54:49,679
that lou had

2813
01:54:54,470 --> 01:54:52,159
you know and and the the courage to keep

2814
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:54,480
fighting you know i'm not going to get

2815
01:54:58,790 --> 01:54:56,880
into anybody's argument over ttsa fact

2816
01:54:59,750 --> 01:54:58,800
is lou was an employee there and he left

2817
01:55:02,070 --> 01:54:59,760
a job

2818
01:55:03,990 --> 01:55:02,080
you know what i'm saying and after that

2819
01:55:05,270 --> 01:55:04,000
he hasn't stopped he's put himself at

2820
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:05,280
more risk

2821
01:55:07,910 --> 01:55:06,400
and

2822
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:07,920
again not going to harp on it not here

2823
01:55:11,669 --> 01:55:09,920
to just you know swing for lou

2824
01:55:12,790 --> 01:55:11,679
but you got people going where's your

2825
01:55:15,030 --> 01:55:12,800
w-2

2826
01:55:18,070 --> 01:55:15,040
where's your letter head first of all my

2827
01:55:20,229 --> 01:55:18,080
w-2 said usn for 20 years no matter what

2828
01:55:22,390 --> 01:55:20,239
my title or you know it had my my pay

2829
01:55:24,790 --> 01:55:22,400
grade and usn on it

2830
01:55:26,870 --> 01:55:24,800
beyond that i i covered numerous

2831
01:55:29,589 --> 01:55:26,880
programs over the course of my career

2832
01:55:31,990 --> 01:55:29,599
that the the handoff and all of the data

2833
01:55:34,070 --> 01:55:32,000
back and forth occurred via official

2834
01:55:35,830 --> 01:55:34,080
correspondence on email

2835
01:55:38,390 --> 01:55:35,840
now we all know

2836
01:55:40,629 --> 01:55:38,400
that the dod er race lose emails

2837
01:55:42,310 --> 01:55:40,639
they erased his pst's as archives and

2838
01:55:44,709 --> 01:55:42,320
everything something that they had to

2839
01:55:46,790 --> 01:55:44,719
keep around for a few years

2840
01:55:48,629 --> 01:55:46,800
we're still it's we've still got people

2841
01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:48,639
dedicating their whole career right now

2842
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:50,400
to details

2843
01:55:54,229 --> 01:55:52,080
minor details when you've got a wall of

2844
01:55:56,870 --> 01:55:54,239
people supporting him i've met the the

2845
01:55:58,709 --> 01:55:56,880
uap task force head myself

2846
01:56:02,790 --> 01:55:58,719
and you know who he was introduced to me

2847
01:56:05,189 --> 01:56:02,800
as the guy who took over for lou

2848
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:05,199
and he told me himself yeah lou ran a

2849
01:56:09,510 --> 01:56:07,679
tip i i've no you know that person

2850
01:56:11,430 --> 01:56:09,520
hasn't come out and made that bold

2851
01:56:13,030 --> 01:56:11,440
statement in public yet but i'm one of

2852
01:56:14,790 --> 01:56:13,040
those folks that's met him and met all

2853
01:56:16,310 --> 01:56:14,800
the other not all of the other but many

2854
01:56:17,510 --> 01:56:16,320
of the other people that worked in atip

2855
01:56:19,750 --> 01:56:17,520
and then around some of the other

2856
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:19,760
programs there's not a single person

2857
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:22,000
that's ever said anything but no lou ran

2858
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:23,599
it it's

2859
01:56:26,709 --> 01:56:24,480
and

2860
01:56:28,629 --> 01:56:26,719
so we have a picture here that's not

2861
01:56:30,790 --> 01:56:28,639
unlike the larger picture we're looking

2862
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:30,800
at we know things we know we have

2863
01:56:34,550 --> 01:56:32,800
evidence for things

2864
01:56:36,629 --> 01:56:34,560
we know that it makes sense if they put

2865
01:56:38,310 --> 01:56:36,639
all the evidence together but for some

2866
01:56:41,750 --> 01:56:38,320
reason that smoking gun that would make

2867
01:56:43,910 --> 01:56:41,760
us all happy is missing well who took it

2868
01:56:45,430 --> 01:56:43,920
well the people that erase lose emails

2869
01:56:47,830 --> 01:56:45,440
one would assume are the same people

2870
01:56:50,709 --> 01:56:47,840
that are hiding details from us that

2871
01:56:53,510 --> 01:56:50,719
that are trying to stop these programs

2872
01:56:55,189 --> 01:56:53,520
take over their names insert themselves

2873
01:56:57,030 --> 01:56:55,199
in the conversation

2874
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:57,040
and i want to know why

2875
01:57:00,470 --> 01:56:59,360
why is it that sitting senators are

2876
01:57:02,550 --> 01:57:00,480
interested

2877
01:57:04,790 --> 01:57:02,560
sitting senators find this to be a very

2878
01:57:06,870 --> 01:57:04,800
compelling worthwhile subject that

2879
01:57:08,870 --> 01:57:06,880
they're pushing forward in the midst of

2880
01:57:11,589 --> 01:57:08,880
a war and you'll have a lot of people

2881
01:57:14,550 --> 01:57:11,599
that say oh it's a cover-up for the war

2882
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:14,560
man that war is covering us up right now

2883
01:57:19,990 --> 01:57:17,119
we can't we can't get our info out there

2884
01:57:22,070 --> 01:57:20,000
so who's stopping the people who want to

2885
01:57:23,750 --> 01:57:22,080
bring this out into the light and why

2886
01:57:25,990 --> 01:57:23,760
because it's we're not talking national

2887
01:57:29,030 --> 01:57:26,000
defense data anymore we're not talking

2888
01:57:29,990 --> 01:57:29,040
about needing to redact systems and and

2889
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:30,000
methods

2890
01:57:33,510 --> 01:57:31,119
we're talking about people that are

2891
01:57:34,709 --> 01:57:33,520
staying trying to stop a man or a

2892
01:57:37,669 --> 01:57:34,719
movement

2893
01:57:39,350 --> 01:57:37,679
and i i wonder if that's going to have

2894
01:57:40,950 --> 01:57:39,360
its its roots and tendrils in this

2895
01:57:43,830 --> 01:57:40,960
larger problem

2896
01:57:45,510 --> 01:57:43,840
when uh last year we've got the four

2897
01:57:47,589 --> 01:57:45,520
minutes before the break

2898
01:57:48,550 --> 01:57:47,599
um last year

2899
01:57:49,430 --> 01:57:48,560
when

2900
01:57:52,070 --> 01:57:49,440
uh

2901
01:57:55,189 --> 01:57:52,080
the the conversation started about the

2902
01:57:55,990 --> 01:57:55,199
emails danny sheehan and and lou

2903
01:58:05,270 --> 01:57:56,000
uh

2904
01:58:07,669 --> 01:58:05,280
director of national intelligence

2905
01:58:09,669 --> 01:58:07,679
suddenly when that investigation gets

2906
01:58:10,550 --> 01:58:09,679
announced sean

2907
01:58:20,709 --> 01:58:10,560
about

2908
01:58:21,510 --> 01:58:20,719
what that that said to me

2909
01:58:24,470 --> 01:58:21,520
that

2910
01:58:25,750 --> 01:58:24,480
they were unaware of all of this

2911
01:58:27,910 --> 01:58:25,760
including

2912
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:27,920
susan goff making these public

2913
01:58:33,589 --> 01:58:30,880
statements because it appeared to me

2914
01:58:35,189 --> 01:58:33,599
that they didn't know any of this and

2915
01:58:37,589 --> 01:58:35,199
there has been

2916
01:58:40,310 --> 01:58:37,599
uh actions taken

2917
01:58:42,390 --> 01:58:40,320
when it comes to uaps including like

2918
01:58:46,550 --> 01:58:42,400
erasing emails right

2919
01:58:48,870 --> 01:58:46,560
and and nobody at the top knew about it

2920
01:58:50,550 --> 01:58:48,880
and let's not forget that susan go has

2921
01:58:53,350 --> 01:58:50,560
has made statements that are completely

2922
01:58:55,830 --> 01:58:53,360
contradictory to her predecessors

2923
01:58:58,470 --> 01:58:55,840
how how does that happen how how does a

2924
01:58:59,990 --> 01:58:58,480
how does a positive known become a a

2925
01:59:02,550 --> 01:59:00,000
negative unknown

2926
01:59:06,470 --> 01:59:02,560
which is my point though yeah that's my

2927
01:59:09,030 --> 01:59:06,480
point because od and i now uh and the ag

2928
01:59:11,669 --> 01:59:09,040
want to know who was saying what about

2929
01:59:12,790 --> 01:59:11,679
this and we only want to hear from the

2930
01:59:15,830 --> 01:59:12,800
bosses

2931
01:59:18,950 --> 01:59:15,840
we want to hear from 15s on down and

2932
01:59:21,669 --> 01:59:18,960
they're equivalent right yep okay but

2933
01:59:24,149 --> 01:59:21,679
that says to me that they were very

2934
01:59:25,430 --> 01:59:24,159
confused about the mixed messages and

2935
01:59:29,669 --> 01:59:25,440
who was

2936
01:59:31,990 --> 01:59:29,679
telling people what to do when it comes

2937
01:59:34,149 --> 01:59:32,000
to the subject of uaps

2938
01:59:35,750 --> 01:59:34,159
right and that's that's what came to the

2939
01:59:37,430 --> 01:59:35,760
surface last year

2940
01:59:38,790 --> 01:59:37,440
i think what people don't realize is

2941
01:59:42,390 --> 01:59:38,800
that

2942
01:59:44,310 --> 01:59:42,400
were programs to the government is

2943
01:59:46,229 --> 01:59:44,320
hiding things from us i think what

2944
01:59:47,270 --> 01:59:46,239
you're seeing now is is is what we've

2945
01:59:49,109 --> 01:59:47,280
been talking about for years is the

2946
01:59:51,189 --> 01:59:49,119
stove piping and compartmentalization

2947
01:59:53,669 --> 01:59:51,199
within government and programs that

2948
01:59:57,430 --> 01:59:53,679
don't report back to executive oversight

2949
02:00:01,030 --> 01:59:57,440
right um and the question is is how can

2950
02:00:02,709 --> 02:00:01,040
we have in this constitutional system

2951
02:00:04,629 --> 02:00:02,719
portions of our government things that

2952
02:00:07,030 --> 02:00:04,639
are funded by the american people that

2953
02:00:10,149 --> 02:00:07,040
have no oversight

2954
02:00:11,910 --> 02:00:10,159
that's not allowed they the the checks

2955
02:00:13,830 --> 02:00:11,920
and balances must go all the way up to

2956
02:00:15,589 --> 02:00:13,840
the top and all the way back down to the

2957
02:00:17,350 --> 02:00:15,599
people and there are things that exist

2958
02:00:19,270 --> 02:00:17,360
within there our classification system

2959
02:00:21,109 --> 02:00:19,280
doesn't exist

2960
02:00:23,589 --> 02:00:21,119
regardless of what all of us might think

2961
02:00:25,990 --> 02:00:23,599
to keep some kind of amazing technology

2962
02:00:26,950 --> 02:00:26,000
away from us that's not why it was

2963
02:00:28,629 --> 02:00:26,960
written

2964
02:00:31,030 --> 02:00:28,639
you know and i often use something like

2965
02:00:32,709 --> 02:00:31,040
anthrax as an example that we don't want

2966
02:00:35,350 --> 02:00:32,719
everyone to have the the

2967
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:35,360
recipe for a chemical biological weapon

2968
02:00:40,149 --> 02:00:37,920
that should be secret

2969
02:00:42,470 --> 02:00:40,159
do these things need to be secret what's

2970
02:00:44,390 --> 02:00:42,480
going on here why the o why the over

2971
02:00:47,030 --> 02:00:44,400
secrecy on some fundamental items that

2972
02:00:47,910 --> 02:00:47,040
we all need to understand our world

2973
02:00:48,790 --> 02:00:47,920
so

2974
02:00:53,910 --> 02:00:48,800
is that

2975
02:00:55,189 --> 02:00:53,920
earlier too as well because once you do

2976
02:00:57,189 --> 02:00:55,199
uh

2977
02:00:59,270 --> 02:00:57,199
there's a thousand directions to go in

2978
02:01:01,510 --> 02:00:59,280
and you peel back one layer of that

2979
02:01:03,430 --> 02:01:01,520
onion and take a peek

2980
02:01:05,750 --> 02:01:03,440
that's a holy crap moment because you've

2981
02:01:08,950 --> 02:01:05,760
got 50 or a thousand questions that need

2982
02:01:10,470 --> 02:01:08,960
to be answered not one correct and and

2983
02:01:12,470 --> 02:01:10,480
in a lot of ways the people in our

2984
02:01:14,070 --> 02:01:12,480
community have are some of the only

2985
02:01:16,149 --> 02:01:14,080
people that have asked those those

2986
02:01:17,589 --> 02:01:16,159
questions in the same room at the same

2987
02:01:19,430 --> 02:01:17,599
time that includes you and all the folks

2988
02:01:22,390 --> 02:01:19,440
that are listening tonight sure

2989
02:01:25,589 --> 02:01:22,400
we are educated in this field up to a

2990
02:01:26,550 --> 02:01:25,599
level that the the public is not

2991
02:01:28,790 --> 02:01:26,560
is it

2992
02:01:31,669 --> 02:01:28,800
don't you find that fascinating too as

2993
02:01:34,310 --> 02:01:31,679
well this community is not dumb

2994
02:01:36,550 --> 02:01:34,320
uh and this community shows this this

2995
02:01:39,109 --> 02:01:36,560
community for the most part

2996
02:01:42,550 --> 02:01:39,119
shows a level of patience

2997
02:01:45,270 --> 02:01:42,560
we've been at this for 70 years

2998
02:01:47,669 --> 02:01:45,280
and and pushing and pushing and pushing

2999
02:01:48,950 --> 02:01:47,679
the ones that are impatient are the ones

3000
02:01:50,870 --> 02:01:48,960
that

3001
02:01:53,350 --> 02:01:50,880
read the new york times article in

3002
02:01:55,430 --> 02:01:53,360
december of 2017 and now suddenly

3003
02:01:59,510 --> 02:01:55,440
they're interested in the subject they

3004
02:02:01,109 --> 02:01:59,520
haven't devoted 10 20 30 40 50 years

3005
02:02:03,990 --> 02:02:01,119
into the pursuit of disclosure and

3006
02:02:04,870 --> 02:02:04,000
trying to figure out what's going on

3007
02:02:07,030 --> 02:02:04,880
yep

3008
02:02:08,950 --> 02:02:07,040
it it there's a long road

3009
02:02:10,070 --> 02:02:08,960
to making a lot of this make sense to

3010
02:02:11,990 --> 02:02:10,080
people and that's

3011
02:02:13,910 --> 02:02:12,000
i don't want people to think i harp on

3012
02:02:15,589 --> 02:02:13,920
the i don't harp on the entertainment

3013
02:02:18,149 --> 02:02:15,599
aspect i don't like it or excuse me i

3014
02:02:19,589 --> 02:02:18,159
don't i don't dislike it i enjoy that

3015
02:02:22,470 --> 02:02:19,599
myself

3016
02:02:23,910 --> 02:02:22,480
but at this juncture it's very important

3017
02:02:25,589 --> 02:02:23,920
that we're able to show people the

3018
02:02:27,030 --> 02:02:25,599
difference between the two and frankly a

3019
02:02:29,030 --> 02:02:27,040
lot of our entertainment is very

3020
02:02:32,390 --> 02:02:29,040
informative let's be real very

3021
02:02:33,910 --> 02:02:32,400
informative yeah like this show sean

3022
02:02:35,510 --> 02:02:33,920
no you're right no you're right jimmy

3023
02:02:37,750 --> 02:02:35,520
you're 100 right

3024
02:02:40,070 --> 02:02:37,760
and i will always you know not only

3025
02:02:42,149 --> 02:02:40,080
support uh the community

3026
02:02:43,350 --> 02:02:42,159
but i'm learning something every night

3027
02:02:44,709 --> 02:02:43,360
on this show

3028
02:02:46,390 --> 02:02:44,719
like with you right now our guest

3029
02:02:48,149 --> 02:02:46,400
tonight's sean cahill

3030
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periods of time you can see them flying

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but occasionally bugs show up well i

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found something that is tougher than

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bugs orange guard on contact it kills

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you wanna know a secret

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i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

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serious

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i couldn't stay sane without pawn mr

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brush

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why fade to black

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this is pony to black with jimmy church

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[Music]

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02:08:04,229 --> 02:08:00,229
welcome back fade to black i'm yours

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02:08:04,239 --> 02:08:08,390
shawn brought his a game tonight

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and uh

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uaps

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now now here's the deal sean um i'm

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02:08:18,629 --> 02:08:16,719
gonna ask you just a couple of quick

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02:08:19,669 --> 02:08:18,639
questions and

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02:08:21,990 --> 02:08:19,679
um

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02:08:25,030 --> 02:08:22,000
and then i want to move on to

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02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:25,040
the great work of john greenwald and the

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black vault and

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02:08:33,850 --> 02:08:29,760
and do an analysis here but

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a couple of quick questions one

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[Music]

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lou has

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alluded

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leaned towards and suggested

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02:08:46,069 --> 02:08:44,000
that he has seen some of the craziest

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02:08:49,109 --> 02:08:46,079
ufo video evidence in the history of

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mankind okay

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02:08:51,920 --> 02:08:57,189
i believe he has yeah have you

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02:09:01,589 --> 02:08:59,589
not the same stuff he's seen

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02:09:03,669 --> 02:09:01,599
say that again repeat not the same stuff

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02:09:06,870 --> 02:09:03,679
he's seen oh

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02:09:09,430 --> 02:09:06,880
have you seen stuff that i haven't seen

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02:09:10,390 --> 02:09:09,440
well yeah because you weren't with me

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02:09:13,750 --> 02:09:10,400
but

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because because you know the little

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02:09:17,350 --> 02:09:15,599
wordplay we're getting can get people

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02:09:20,229 --> 02:09:17,360
confused sure

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do i think lou has seen the evidentiary

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02:09:25,189 --> 02:09:22,480
things that we that would blow our minds

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yes i do okay

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02:09:29,189 --> 02:09:27,840
i've seen things in my own eyes with my

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02:09:30,709 --> 02:09:29,199
own eyes

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that are commensurate with some of the

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02:09:36,229 --> 02:09:34,400
things that he has seen on video

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02:09:38,470 --> 02:09:36,239
me sharing stories like some of those

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02:09:40,149 --> 02:09:38,480
stories with him allows him an ability

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02:09:41,750 --> 02:09:40,159
to without telling me things that he

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02:09:43,669 --> 02:09:41,760
can't tell me

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02:09:45,669 --> 02:09:43,679
socialize to me that what i'm talking

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02:09:48,069 --> 02:09:45,679
about is probably

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02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:48,079
valid and important to talk about

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02:09:51,350 --> 02:09:48,960
so

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i look forward to a day when he has a

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has the type of protection or where the

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declassification occurs or the right

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02:09:59,109 --> 02:09:57,920
foias occur i say to say the right ones

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02:10:00,470 --> 02:09:59,119
but i think

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02:10:03,030 --> 02:10:00,480
what we're looking at here is people

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that can't break their oaths

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02:10:07,750 --> 02:10:05,760
now these people can can do work

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02:10:10,790 --> 02:10:07,760
towards removing

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02:10:13,109 --> 02:10:10,800
the stipulations placed on them by those

3192
02:10:16,149 --> 02:10:13,119
by those odes and they can try to change

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02:10:18,069 --> 02:10:16,159
the system so those odes and those ndas

3194
02:10:19,830 --> 02:10:18,079
or those those restrictions are no

3195
02:10:21,430 --> 02:10:19,840
longer important

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02:10:23,109 --> 02:10:21,440
i think that there are other people that

3197
02:10:24,550 --> 02:10:23,119
look at this like perhaps we'll have to

3198
02:10:26,790 --> 02:10:24,560
go around

3199
02:10:29,189 --> 02:10:26,800
some of these things and

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02:10:32,229 --> 02:10:29,199
um there's a lot of efforts to that are

3201
02:10:34,310 --> 02:10:32,239
trying to apply machine learning to data

3202
02:10:35,750 --> 02:10:34,320
to try to just pull try to figure out

3203
02:10:37,350 --> 02:10:35,760
what were they researching that they

3204
02:10:39,030 --> 02:10:37,360
can't tell us maybe we can get that

3205
02:10:40,470 --> 02:10:39,040
ourselves into the public sector and

3206
02:10:41,709 --> 02:10:40,480
start working on it

3207
02:10:43,910 --> 02:10:41,719
while we're working on this

3208
02:10:46,069 --> 02:10:43,920
declassification program

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02:10:49,350 --> 02:10:46,079
um

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02:10:51,030 --> 02:10:49,360
i i think it's important that we start

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02:10:53,030 --> 02:10:51,040
really really looking at this in a way

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02:10:54,709 --> 02:10:53,040
that is is there a video that's going to

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02:10:57,430 --> 02:10:54,719
change any of our minds is there one

3214
02:10:59,350 --> 02:10:57,440
that we're all going to accept

3215
02:11:00,790 --> 02:10:59,360
we we run up against this thing nowadays

3216
02:11:02,470 --> 02:11:00,800
where you know i get sent videos

3217
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:02,480
constantly i have a couple here a couple

3218
02:11:05,030 --> 02:11:03,840
of folks here that are local that i'm

3219
02:11:07,109 --> 02:11:05,040
going to go visit them set up some

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02:11:09,109 --> 02:11:07,119
cameras with them try to replicate see

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02:11:10,870 --> 02:11:09,119
if we can get what they've sent me um

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02:11:12,629 --> 02:11:10,880
try to act add a little bit more you

3223
02:11:14,550 --> 02:11:12,639
know stability and professional acumen

3224
02:11:16,870 --> 02:11:14,560
to the evidence collection

3225
02:11:18,629 --> 02:11:16,880
but we have to start saying to ourselves

3226
02:11:20,229 --> 02:11:18,639
this is real let's start looking at it

3227
02:11:21,430 --> 02:11:20,239
while we work on the classification

3228
02:11:23,750 --> 02:11:21,440
program

3229
02:11:25,990 --> 02:11:23,760
and we have to ask ourselves also

3230
02:11:27,830 --> 02:11:26,000
if that evidence we crave is presented

3231
02:11:30,390 --> 02:11:27,840
to us are we going to believe it we're

3232
02:11:32,790 --> 02:11:30,400
at a point now where we're still arguing

3233
02:11:35,030 --> 02:11:32,800
whether disclosure has happened because

3234
02:11:37,589 --> 02:11:35,040
we all of us have a different belief 31

3235
02:11:39,669 --> 02:11:37,599
flavors as to what disclosure means sure

3236
02:11:41,990 --> 02:11:39,679
to me it's happened to me the united

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02:11:44,310 --> 02:11:42,000
states government set up a unidentified

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02:11:46,550 --> 02:11:44,320
aerial phenomenon task force they've

3239
02:11:49,270 --> 02:11:46,560
admitted to us that there were follow-on

3240
02:11:51,589 --> 02:11:49,280
programs past the 70s and the 80s of the

3241
02:11:53,830 --> 02:11:51,599
you know the long-term blue book era and

3242
02:11:55,510 --> 02:11:53,840
we can make assumptions that when atip

3243
02:11:57,350 --> 02:11:55,520
shut down somebody was running something

3244
02:11:58,629 --> 02:11:57,360
somewhere somebody was still watching

3245
02:12:00,229 --> 02:11:58,639
things you know

3246
02:12:02,950 --> 02:12:00,239
so

3247
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:02,960
we have this cornuco not a cornucopia a

3248
02:12:07,430 --> 02:12:04,800
bad word we have we have a succotash

3249
02:12:09,830 --> 02:12:07,440
here we got beans we got corn and we got

3250
02:12:10,870 --> 02:12:09,840
all kinds of stuff in here right

3251
02:12:13,430 --> 02:12:10,880
and

3252
02:12:15,830 --> 02:12:13,440
if we focus on the beans you know let's

3253
02:12:17,750 --> 02:12:15,840
focus on the fact that we're here we

3254
02:12:20,310 --> 02:12:17,760
have government oversight we have we

3255
02:12:22,069 --> 02:12:20,320
have elected officials interested we

3256
02:12:24,310 --> 02:12:22,079
have the private sector interested

3257
02:12:25,589 --> 02:12:24,320
thought leaders are paying attention

3258
02:12:27,990 --> 02:12:25,599
we're going to get into this but just in

3259
02:12:31,109 --> 02:12:28,000
the last 24 hours you know

3260
02:12:32,790 --> 02:12:31,119
all the you know almost all of the durds

3261
02:12:35,910 --> 02:12:32,800
just got put out there we have a lot of

3262
02:12:37,669 --> 02:12:35,920
stuff to go through you know and there's

3263
02:12:39,189 --> 02:12:37,679
data in there that people are gonna get

3264
02:12:40,390 --> 02:12:39,199
in and start peeling off things they're

3265
02:12:41,669 --> 02:12:40,400
gonna say i knew it because of this

3266
02:12:43,109 --> 02:12:41,679
thing and they're gonna pull this one

3267
02:12:45,350 --> 02:12:43,119
little nugget out and they're gonna run

3268
02:12:46,870 --> 02:12:45,360
with that nugget i would caution people

3269
02:12:48,310 --> 02:12:46,880
read the whole report

3270
02:12:50,629 --> 02:12:48,320
yeah the whole report from start to

3271
02:12:52,950 --> 02:12:50,639
finish yeah i did that today but here's

3272
02:12:55,430 --> 02:12:52,960
the thing

3273
02:12:58,470 --> 02:12:55,440
i i am with you

3274
02:13:01,189 --> 02:12:58,480
in that disclosure has already happened

3275
02:13:04,310 --> 02:13:01,199
and i've also seen what i've seen

3276
02:13:06,390 --> 02:13:04,320
so i i'm talking about sightings

3277
02:13:08,470 --> 02:13:06,400
so i'm okay with that but you know what

3278
02:13:10,790 --> 02:13:08,480
that's not good enough for for most

3279
02:13:12,629 --> 02:13:10,800
people that's simply not not good enough

3280
02:13:15,270 --> 02:13:12,639
for me either yeah that's it's it's

3281
02:13:18,550 --> 02:13:15,280
simply not we we need to

3282
02:13:21,109 --> 02:13:18,560
uh to cross that line uh for those out

3283
02:13:21,830 --> 02:13:21,119
there that no matter what you and i say

3284
02:13:30,310 --> 02:13:21,840
or

3285
02:13:33,589 --> 02:13:30,320
dolan that's not good enough

3286
02:13:35,669 --> 02:13:33,599
until we get an official announcement on

3287
02:13:37,030 --> 02:13:35,679
live television that we are not alone in

3288
02:13:39,750 --> 02:13:37,040
the universe

3289
02:13:42,149 --> 02:13:39,760
uh until we get to that point it that

3290
02:13:43,510 --> 02:13:42,159
everybody else is is

3291
02:13:45,189 --> 02:13:43,520
is uh

3292
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:45,199
left in the dark they have their

3293
02:13:50,629 --> 02:13:47,760
families and people that around them and

3294
02:13:53,109 --> 02:13:50,639
their employers and the things and where

3295
02:13:55,350 --> 02:13:53,119
they can go look

3296
02:13:57,589 --> 02:13:55,360
this just happened

3297
02:13:59,510 --> 02:13:57,599
now we can move forward and and that's

3298
02:14:01,669 --> 02:13:59,520
where it's at okay next question and

3299
02:14:03,109 --> 02:14:01,679
then we're going to get to this report

3300
02:14:05,189 --> 02:14:03,119
there was uh

3301
02:14:08,069 --> 02:14:05,199
this uh infamous i'm going to say

3302
02:14:09,589 --> 02:14:08,079
infamous with the true definition of

3303
02:14:11,189 --> 02:14:09,599
infamous and if you don't know that

3304
02:14:12,790 --> 02:14:11,199
definition look it up

3305
02:14:15,109 --> 02:14:12,800
infamous

3306
02:14:18,069 --> 02:14:15,119
triangle photograph that went around the

3307
02:14:19,990 --> 02:14:18,079
agencies and uh everybody's been talking

3308
02:14:23,669 --> 02:14:20,000
about for the last couple of years and

3309
02:14:24,629 --> 02:14:23,679
and showing the perfect crystal clear

3310
02:14:27,510 --> 02:14:24,639
image

3311
02:14:30,470 --> 02:14:27,520
of a triangle coming out of the water

3312
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:30,480
and and taking flight

3313
02:14:36,229 --> 02:14:34,000
have you seen this photograph i have not

3314
02:14:37,750 --> 02:14:36,239
i have i have heard about that

3315
02:14:40,790 --> 02:14:37,760
photograph

3316
02:14:42,950 --> 02:14:40,800
i have heard um

3317
02:14:45,669 --> 02:14:42,960
details as to

3318
02:14:47,589 --> 02:14:45,679
as to the actual photograph what state

3319
02:14:49,430 --> 02:14:47,599
it's in what format is it things like

3320
02:14:50,229 --> 02:14:49,440
you know details that would help me if i

3321
02:14:52,149 --> 02:14:50,239
did

3322
02:14:54,550 --> 02:14:52,159
come across it one way or the other to

3323
02:14:56,229 --> 02:14:54,560
to vet it so to speak but no i've never

3324
02:14:58,229 --> 02:14:56,239
seen it i can tell you

3325
02:15:00,870 --> 02:14:58,239
with 100 percent assurance i haven't

3326
02:15:02,870 --> 02:15:00,880
handled any classified material um

3327
02:15:05,510 --> 02:15:02,880
nothing had nothing that is is

3328
02:15:06,870 --> 02:15:05,520
classified has been leaked to me

3329
02:15:08,790 --> 02:15:06,880
given to me

3330
02:15:10,390 --> 02:15:08,800
shared with me any of that stuff the

3331
02:15:12,709 --> 02:15:10,400
folks that i work with they don't play

3332
02:15:15,030 --> 02:15:12,719
with these things that that your your

3333
02:15:15,990 --> 02:15:15,040
livelihood is destroyed and you go to

3334
02:15:18,950 --> 02:15:16,000
jail

3335
02:15:22,550 --> 02:15:18,960
you know if you mess with that stuff

3336
02:15:24,709 --> 02:15:22,560
have you talked to somebody who has seen

3337
02:15:26,069 --> 02:15:24,719
the triangle photograph

3338
02:15:26,950 --> 02:15:26,079
numerous people

3339
02:15:28,550 --> 02:15:26,960
really

3340
02:15:30,950 --> 02:15:28,560
yeah

3341
02:15:33,270 --> 02:15:30,960
it's it's it's it's elusive man it's

3342
02:15:36,950 --> 02:15:33,280
it's it it do you think it will get

3343
02:15:39,990 --> 02:15:36,960
leaked at some point and the second part

3344
02:15:42,950 --> 02:15:40,000
do you think that that image was part of

3345
02:15:45,350 --> 02:15:42,960
the classified section of the uap task

3346
02:15:46,790 --> 02:15:45,360
force report

3347
02:15:48,709 --> 02:15:46,800
i wouldn't speculate on that because i

3348
02:15:50,950 --> 02:15:48,719
haven't seen the classified portion of

3349
02:15:51,830 --> 02:15:50,960
the of the task force report so

3350
02:15:55,109 --> 02:15:51,840
um

3351
02:15:59,350 --> 02:15:55,119
and i would say that the i am not aware

3352
02:16:01,510 --> 02:15:59,360
of the chain of custody of origin of it

3353
02:16:05,350 --> 02:16:01,520
um there's some illusion that it's kind

3354
02:16:07,270 --> 02:16:05,360
of floating out there so or or in more

3355
02:16:10,149 --> 02:16:07,280
inboxes than you might expect that's

3356
02:16:11,350 --> 02:16:10,159
right um but let me say this i hope it's

3357
02:16:13,910 --> 02:16:11,360
not leaked

3358
02:16:16,550 --> 02:16:13,920
and i'm not going to be a big jerk about

3359
02:16:19,510 --> 02:16:16,560
leaks but i don't like leaks leaks are

3360
02:16:21,350 --> 02:16:19,520
almost as a as a law enforcement officer

3361
02:16:23,189 --> 02:16:21,360
a leak is almost unusable it's the

3362
02:16:25,109 --> 02:16:23,199
fruits of the poisonous tree if

3363
02:16:27,109 --> 02:16:25,119
something if something leaves the system

3364
02:16:30,310 --> 02:16:27,119
in an unlawful manner it loses

3365
02:16:31,270 --> 02:16:30,320
evidentiary value um i hope it's not

3366
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:31,280
leaked

3367
02:16:36,389 --> 02:16:33,679
i hope that a that someone somewhere

3368
02:16:37,990 --> 02:16:36,399
finds the right combination of of words

3369
02:16:39,990 --> 02:16:38,000
or reads the right standard operating

3370
02:16:41,830 --> 02:16:40,000
procedure to say hey this is just a

3371
02:16:44,230 --> 02:16:41,840
photograph but if we can if we can

3372
02:16:46,150 --> 02:16:44,240
release it and provide context this

3373
02:16:47,830 --> 02:16:46,160
would this would go a long way to

3374
02:16:50,150 --> 02:16:47,840
helping people understand what we're

3375
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:50,160
dealing with um

3376
02:16:54,469 --> 02:16:52,559
we have the unclassified reports

3377
02:16:56,230 --> 02:16:54,479
on the schedule we can look at that

3378
02:16:58,230 --> 02:16:56,240
schedule now look ahead and i'd have to

3379
02:17:00,150 --> 02:16:58,240
go to my notes to pull them up

3380
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:00,160
but i want people to understand the

3381
02:17:04,709 --> 02:17:02,960
classified reports must occur first the

3382
02:17:06,070 --> 02:17:04,719
people in leadership positions in the

3383
02:17:08,150 --> 02:17:06,080
military and within the department of

3384
02:17:10,309 --> 02:17:08,160
defense and government must understand

3385
02:17:12,790 --> 02:17:10,319
the data when it regards national

3386
02:17:14,870 --> 02:17:12,800
defense before the people do once the

3387
02:17:16,790 --> 02:17:14,880
people understand it the quote unquote

3388
02:17:18,469 --> 02:17:16,800
enemy adversary or person that you're

3389
02:17:20,709 --> 02:17:18,479
trying to counteract has all the

3390
02:17:22,629 --> 02:17:20,719
information that you have

3391
02:17:25,429 --> 02:17:22,639
people have to understand it's not as

3392
02:17:28,150 --> 02:17:25,439
simple right now just saying aliens

3393
02:17:30,389 --> 02:17:28,160
exist because i don't know that those

3394
02:17:32,230 --> 02:17:30,399
conclusions exist as you and i talked

3395
02:17:33,830 --> 02:17:32,240
about there are differing

3396
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:33,840
aspects of this

3397
02:17:38,709 --> 02:17:37,120
that again the the generalized public

3398
02:17:39,990 --> 02:17:38,719
are going to find crazy when they find

3399
02:17:41,910 --> 02:17:40,000
out what do you mean

3400
02:17:44,549 --> 02:17:41,920
what is what is psychotronics what do

3401
02:17:46,070 --> 02:17:44,559
you mean by a masquerade and at the end

3402
02:17:47,830 --> 02:17:46,080
of the day we're talking about a phrase

3403
02:17:49,910 --> 02:17:47,840
that scares the crap out of all of us

3404
02:17:52,709 --> 02:17:49,920
mind control

3405
02:17:56,309 --> 02:17:52,719
that's really scary yeah it is it is now

3406
02:17:57,910 --> 02:17:56,319
um uh foreign adversary technology

3407
02:17:59,429 --> 02:17:57,920
that's one thing

3408
02:18:01,669 --> 02:17:59,439
i understand

3409
02:18:03,910 --> 02:18:01,679
things need to stay secret i totally get

3410
02:18:07,509 --> 02:18:03,920
that and i respect it

3411
02:18:10,549 --> 02:18:07,519
but et off world

3412
02:18:11,750 --> 02:18:10,559
why why should that be classified well i

3413
02:18:13,589 --> 02:18:11,760
think you and i could get into the

3414
02:18:15,349 --> 02:18:13,599
pretty simple answers on that one first

3415
02:18:16,629 --> 02:18:15,359
of all which religion is going to claim

3416
02:18:17,990 --> 02:18:16,639
the aliens as their own and which

3417
02:18:20,870 --> 02:18:18,000
religion is going to claim that they're

3418
02:18:22,790 --> 02:18:20,880
the the antithesis of their own

3419
02:18:26,709 --> 02:18:22,800
are they how are we going to we can't

3420
02:18:29,669 --> 02:18:26,719
even agree right now okay

3421
02:18:30,790 --> 02:18:29,679
on equal rights for humans

3422
02:18:33,509 --> 02:18:30,800
okay

3423
02:18:35,589 --> 02:18:33,519
we can't agree that a person has the

3424
02:18:37,750 --> 02:18:35,599
right to practice their own religion

3425
02:18:39,270 --> 02:18:37,760
without being without being party to

3426
02:18:41,110 --> 02:18:39,280
genocide

3427
02:18:42,629 --> 02:18:41,120
in some parts of the world

3428
02:18:44,629 --> 02:18:42,639
where where

3429
02:18:46,790 --> 02:18:44,639
um pardon me for getting into

3430
02:18:48,070 --> 02:18:46,800
uncomfortableness of this but where

3431
02:18:49,990 --> 02:18:48,080
where uh

3432
02:18:52,150 --> 02:18:50,000
genital mutilation is still occurring

3433
02:18:55,110 --> 02:18:52,160
for religious practices that happens in

3434
02:18:57,349 --> 02:18:55,120
the western world as well

3435
02:18:59,190 --> 02:18:57,359
we have a lot of things as individuals

3436
02:19:01,750 --> 02:18:59,200
and as a society that we have not

3437
02:19:03,669 --> 02:19:01,760
matured past

3438
02:19:05,830 --> 02:19:03,679
and we want to make these these these

3439
02:19:08,870 --> 02:19:05,840
blanket

3440
02:19:10,389 --> 02:19:08,880
about the things that we're observing

3441
02:19:12,950 --> 02:19:10,399
and a lot of people don't appreciate

3442
02:19:14,950 --> 02:19:12,960
when i do this but if

3443
02:19:17,270 --> 02:19:14,960
fix your house first

3444
02:19:18,549 --> 02:19:17,280
realize what's important to you focus on

3445
02:19:20,709 --> 02:19:18,559
your loved ones

3446
02:19:22,549 --> 02:19:20,719
stabilize your humanity

3447
02:19:25,030 --> 02:19:22,559
then attack this dragon that's in the

3448
02:19:27,030 --> 02:19:25,040
dark with all of your might but until

3449
02:19:28,950 --> 02:19:27,040
you have that nest of understanding and

3450
02:19:31,270 --> 02:19:28,960
stability behind you these things are

3451
02:19:33,669 --> 02:19:31,280
incredibly scary and that kind of fight

3452
02:19:34,870 --> 02:19:33,679
or flight really causes us to jump to

3453
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:34,880
conclusions

3454
02:19:37,990 --> 02:19:36,960
and i think we just need more people to

3455
02:19:40,629 --> 02:19:38,000
just

3456
02:19:42,790 --> 02:19:40,639
dial back our assumptions

3457
02:19:45,110 --> 02:19:42,800
and say how are we all going to deal

3458
02:19:47,750 --> 02:19:45,120
with this in the now and move forward

3459
02:19:49,990 --> 02:19:47,760
it's not as simple as as one video one

3460
02:19:52,309 --> 02:19:50,000
speech and i think that what we're

3461
02:19:54,309 --> 02:19:52,319
bumping into is whether whether we've

3462
02:19:55,910 --> 02:19:54,319
identified it as a thousand different

3463
02:19:58,550 --> 02:19:55,920
groups aliens

3464
02:20:00,710 --> 02:19:58,560
or one control system

3465
02:20:02,870 --> 02:20:00,720
where's our part in it

3466
02:20:04,870 --> 02:20:02,880
is it a natural part of our system has

3467
02:20:06,630 --> 02:20:04,880
this been inserted into our system in

3468
02:20:08,630 --> 02:20:06,640
between us and what we would consider

3469
02:20:09,670 --> 02:20:08,640
our manifest destiny as a sentient

3470
02:20:11,750 --> 02:20:09,680
animal

3471
02:20:13,830 --> 02:20:11,760
and is that a concept that even has

3472
02:20:15,670 --> 02:20:13,840
meaning in the greater universe we're at

3473
02:20:17,670 --> 02:20:15,680
the bottom of a gravity well

3474
02:20:19,429 --> 02:20:17,680
and we've only left

3475
02:20:21,030 --> 02:20:19,439
just up to our nearest satellite we've

3476
02:20:22,389 --> 02:20:21,040
sent robotic craft to the edge of our

3477
02:20:24,150 --> 02:20:22,399
solar system they haven't left the

3478
02:20:26,790 --> 02:20:24,160
heliopause yet

3479
02:20:29,030 --> 02:20:26,800
and our not to go across the whole

3480
02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:29,040
rainbow of it but quantum physics shows

3481
02:20:33,030 --> 02:20:31,439
us a very different picture of reality

3482
02:20:35,030 --> 02:20:33,040
than the macro level most of us are

3483
02:20:36,309 --> 02:20:35,040
waking up and looking at throughout our

3484
02:20:37,830 --> 02:20:36,319
day

3485
02:20:39,910 --> 02:20:37,840
so

3486
02:20:41,670 --> 02:20:39,920
when we ask why are these things

3487
02:20:43,590 --> 02:20:41,680
classified

3488
02:20:46,389 --> 02:20:43,600
we start realizing that to get to the

3489
02:20:50,309 --> 02:20:46,399
point of not losing your business and

3490
02:20:51,910 --> 02:20:50,319
changing every aspect of your life or

3491
02:20:52,790 --> 02:20:51,920
or reacting

3492
02:20:54,790 --> 02:20:52,800
um

3493
02:20:56,830 --> 02:20:54,800
if we if we haven't matured some of

3494
02:20:59,590 --> 02:20:56,840
these ideas to our enough i can

3495
02:21:01,830 --> 02:20:59,600
understand why people would keep this

3496
02:21:04,230 --> 02:21:01,840
from us i don't like it

3497
02:21:05,670 --> 02:21:04,240
i think i'm an intelligent mature human

3498
02:21:07,750 --> 02:21:05,680
being has reached a point in his life

3499
02:21:09,030 --> 02:21:07,760
where i want to know what's the level

3500
02:21:11,110 --> 02:21:09,040
above

3501
02:21:13,429 --> 02:21:11,120
and can it teach me something about how

3502
02:21:15,750 --> 02:21:13,439
i treat the level i'm at and the level

3503
02:21:17,990 --> 02:21:15,760
below me when dude when i go stand

3504
02:21:20,389 --> 02:21:18,000
around cattle

3505
02:21:22,070 --> 02:21:20,399
i feel a lot of my humanity because the

3506
02:21:23,990 --> 02:21:22,080
stuff we study about this says that

3507
02:21:25,349 --> 02:21:24,000
something is looking in on us and

3508
02:21:27,510 --> 02:21:25,359
tending to us

3509
02:21:29,030 --> 02:21:27,520
you know a lot of us get that vibe

3510
02:21:31,750 --> 02:21:29,040
and you've got people on one side of the

3511
02:21:33,349 --> 02:21:31,760
coin that say it's a it's a bad thing

3512
02:21:35,190 --> 02:21:33,359
and it's doing something that i don't

3513
02:21:37,110 --> 02:21:35,200
want it to do to us and you have other

3514
02:21:39,429 --> 02:21:37,120
people that say no it's here to lift us

3515
02:21:41,030 --> 02:21:39,439
up and to teach us and to to help us

3516
02:21:43,190 --> 02:21:41,040
ascend

3517
02:21:45,429 --> 02:21:43,200
i can generally look at that system and

3518
02:21:47,750 --> 02:21:45,439
go well what am i doing within my own

3519
02:21:50,309 --> 02:21:47,760
system to make it better

3520
02:21:52,389 --> 02:21:50,319
am i i'm not saying go vegan i'm not

3521
02:21:54,630 --> 02:21:52,399
vegan i told you before our call i ate

3522
02:21:57,750 --> 02:21:54,640
mcdonald's tonight i mean that's that's

3523
02:22:00,230 --> 02:21:57,760
like the worst of the assembly line

3524
02:22:01,990 --> 02:22:00,240
you know foods

3525
02:22:04,309 --> 02:22:02,000
but it tasted good

3526
02:22:06,389 --> 02:22:04,319
yeah yeah bro we are hitting some deep

3527
02:22:09,990 --> 02:22:06,399
cycles or philosophical issues here

3528
02:22:12,950 --> 02:22:10,790
so

3529
02:22:15,910 --> 02:22:12,960
putting all of that on the table and

3530
02:22:18,469 --> 02:22:15,920
recognizing it is is noble and i get

3531
02:22:21,270 --> 02:22:18,479
that but the tic tac

3532
02:22:22,710 --> 02:22:21,280
is protected because it was out of the

3533
02:22:26,070 --> 02:22:22,720
public view

3534
02:22:29,590 --> 02:22:26,080
that's a that's a protected situation

3535
02:22:32,630 --> 02:22:29,600
but if that seven vehicle vortex that

3536
02:22:35,910 --> 02:22:32,640
you saw yeah happens over the five

3537
02:22:38,950 --> 02:22:35,920
freeway in san diego during rush hour

3538
02:22:40,950 --> 02:22:38,960
and you've got a dave fravor 40-foot

3539
02:22:44,550 --> 02:22:40,960
wingless craft

3540
02:22:48,230 --> 02:22:46,150
above the traffic

3541
02:22:51,750 --> 02:22:48,240
now you've got a situation that the

3542
02:22:54,469 --> 02:22:51,760
government has to deal with immediately

3543
02:22:56,790 --> 02:22:54,479
and let's let's i imagine you have tick

3544
02:22:59,110 --> 02:22:56,800
tock and and all the other

3545
02:23:00,630 --> 02:22:59,120
platforms yes and

3546
02:23:02,230 --> 02:23:00,640
tick tock's great for getting a lot of

3547
02:23:06,950 --> 02:23:02,240
info in you at once

3548
02:23:11,349 --> 02:23:09,349
let's talk about it one of those occurs

3549
02:23:13,750 --> 02:23:11,359
over the five here in san diego like you

3550
02:23:16,309 --> 02:23:13,760
said you and i watch it on tick tock for

3551
02:23:18,469 --> 02:23:16,319
the next week we see it on youtube it

3552
02:23:20,230 --> 02:23:18,479
gets passed around the debunkers grab it

3553
02:23:22,469 --> 02:23:20,240
and start getting into the pixelation

3554
02:23:24,870 --> 02:23:22,479
and the metadata and everything else

3555
02:23:27,429 --> 02:23:24,880
where's the government

3556
02:23:29,349 --> 02:23:27,439
where where is the where's the faa

3557
02:23:32,070 --> 02:23:29,359
where is someone that's gonna that that

3558
02:23:32,950 --> 02:23:32,080
we can turn to and go hey we got we got

3559
02:23:38,550 --> 02:23:32,960
50

3560
02:23:39,510 --> 02:23:38,560
is this going anywhere is anyone looking

3561
02:23:42,230 --> 02:23:39,520
at it

3562
02:23:43,670 --> 02:23:42,240
i'm hoping that once the the the task

3563
02:23:45,030 --> 02:23:43,680
force for lack of a better word let's

3564
02:23:46,630 --> 02:23:45,040
just use that general term for the

3565
02:23:48,950 --> 02:23:46,640
ongoing effort

3566
02:23:50,870 --> 02:23:48,960
once the task force gets through

3567
02:23:53,349 --> 02:23:50,880
consolidating the data we saw the

3568
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:53,359
initial report i have it right here

3569
02:23:57,910 --> 02:23:56,000
it's it's compelling if you're being

3570
02:24:01,030 --> 02:23:57,920
introduced to this subject

3571
02:24:02,950 --> 02:24:01,040
it's yesterday's news if you're not so

3572
02:24:04,950 --> 02:24:02,960
once we but we have to realize that

3573
02:24:06,550 --> 02:24:04,960
process has to occur you and i have

3574
02:24:07,830 --> 02:24:06,560
admitted seems like there's people that

3575
02:24:09,590 --> 02:24:07,840
don't know what's going on and they're

3576
02:24:10,870 --> 02:24:09,600
concerned seems like they want to dig

3577
02:24:12,630 --> 02:24:10,880
around with the people that don't want

3578
02:24:14,389 --> 02:24:12,640
to talk about it

3579
02:24:15,510 --> 02:24:14,399
that has to be classified

3580
02:24:17,349 --> 02:24:15,520
looked at

3581
02:24:18,550 --> 02:24:17,359
let's look forward to the unclassified

3582
02:24:20,230 --> 02:24:18,560
report

3583
02:24:21,910 --> 02:24:20,240
if that's another

3584
02:24:24,150 --> 02:24:21,920
two pager

3585
02:24:25,750 --> 02:24:24,160
with no conclusions

3586
02:24:27,190 --> 02:24:25,760
no videos

3587
02:24:28,389 --> 02:24:27,200
no data

3588
02:24:29,910 --> 02:24:28,399
no progress

3589
02:24:32,309 --> 02:24:29,920
you're going to find me railing against

3590
02:24:34,790 --> 02:24:32,319
it with everybody else because that is

3591
02:24:37,190 --> 02:24:34,800
the right place to start explaining

3592
02:24:39,030 --> 02:24:37,200
things if we have explanations and so

3593
02:24:41,349 --> 02:24:39,040
that's why i'm patient because i can see

3594
02:24:43,349 --> 02:24:41,359
the road map ahead and i can see the

3595
02:24:45,750 --> 02:24:43,359
place where we should be properly

3596
02:24:47,670 --> 02:24:45,760
triggered if we don't get what we expect

3597
02:24:49,110 --> 02:24:47,680
but i think up until this point we've

3598
02:24:50,950 --> 02:24:49,120
gotten more

3599
02:24:53,270 --> 02:24:50,960
than i would have expected

3600
02:24:55,030 --> 02:24:53,280
seeing the durds come out seeing seeing

3601
02:24:57,349 --> 02:24:55,040
um um

3602
02:24:58,870 --> 02:24:57,359
and uh credit to keith basterfield on

3603
02:25:00,389 --> 02:24:58,880
that i really want to shout out to him

3604
02:25:01,990 --> 02:25:00,399
and to john greenwald for what we got in

3605
02:25:03,830 --> 02:25:02,000
the last couple days

3606
02:25:06,550 --> 02:25:03,840
but i think that shows us a real sea

3607
02:25:09,190 --> 02:25:06,560
change back at the department

3608
02:25:11,590 --> 02:25:09,200
you know that that foia came in and it

3609
02:25:16,230 --> 02:25:11,600
and it went right back out and to have

3610
02:25:18,870 --> 02:25:16,240
the 37 durds come out in in as large of

3611
02:25:20,309 --> 02:25:18,880
an unredacted

3612
02:25:22,389 --> 02:25:20,319
sense as they did

3613
02:25:23,429 --> 02:25:22,399
that's incredible

3614
02:25:25,110 --> 02:25:23,439
to me

3615
02:25:27,990 --> 02:25:25,120
i think we have to get socialized and

3616
02:25:29,830 --> 02:25:28,000
educated to what we just got in our labs

3617
02:25:32,230 --> 02:25:29,840
and then we have to take that forward

3618
02:25:34,230 --> 02:25:32,240
and use that as a lens to look at these

3619
02:25:35,510 --> 02:25:34,240
classified and unclassified reports as

3620
02:25:37,990 --> 02:25:35,520
they come out

3621
02:25:40,469 --> 02:25:38,000
because now we know what was studied now

3622
02:25:41,830 --> 02:25:40,479
we know what was taken seriously you get

3623
02:25:43,190 --> 02:25:41,840
into some of the details in some of

3624
02:25:45,270 --> 02:25:43,200
those reports

3625
02:25:46,630 --> 02:25:45,280
i'm not going to be surprised if we have

3626
02:25:48,070 --> 02:25:46,640
people in the community that are going

3627
02:25:49,910 --> 02:25:48,080
to recognize

3628
02:25:51,270 --> 02:25:49,920
concepts and things that they may have

3629
02:25:52,550 --> 02:25:51,280
been exposed to that they don't

3630
02:25:55,270 --> 02:25:52,560
understand

3631
02:25:57,830 --> 02:25:55,280
i think that going forward to interview

3632
02:25:59,590 --> 02:25:57,840
witnesses who have read the durds

3633
02:26:01,270 --> 02:25:59,600
and are picking out salient points and

3634
02:26:04,150 --> 02:26:01,280
and have something to add i think that's

3635
02:26:05,590 --> 02:26:04,160
another area we need to look at

3636
02:26:07,510 --> 02:26:05,600
right now to me those are the most

3637
02:26:10,150 --> 02:26:07,520
important thing if our thought leaders

3638
02:26:12,150 --> 02:26:10,160
are not getting deep in those defense uh

3639
02:26:12,790 --> 02:26:12,160
intelligence research documents right if

3640
02:26:43,429 --> 02:26:12,800
i

3641
02:26:46,389 --> 02:26:43,439
tell you why

3642
02:26:48,630 --> 02:26:46,399
and i i called greenwald right away i

3643
02:26:51,270 --> 02:26:48,640
sent it to him i said this is four years

3644
02:26:53,510 --> 02:26:51,280
ago i sent it to dolan and we read

3645
02:26:54,870 --> 02:26:53,520
through everything together and i said

3646
02:26:57,110 --> 02:26:54,880
you know what man

3647
02:26:59,990 --> 02:26:57,120
this is just fantasy

3648
02:27:02,790 --> 02:27:00,000
this is science fiction this is that's

3649
02:27:05,349 --> 02:27:02,800
the way it read to me it was somebody's

3650
02:27:06,630 --> 02:27:05,359
imagination pushing things out i forget

3651
02:27:08,150 --> 02:27:06,640
the requirement you know where are we

3652
02:27:10,950 --> 02:27:08,160
going to be in 20 years or whatever it

3653
02:27:12,630 --> 02:27:10,960
was but um it just read a science fic i

3654
02:27:13,910 --> 02:27:12,640
could have written one of those and

3655
02:27:17,349 --> 02:27:13,920
gotten paid

3656
02:27:19,670 --> 02:27:17,359
um and and that's why i didn't feel

3657
02:27:22,870 --> 02:27:19,680
that it it it didn't feel official to me

3658
02:27:25,670 --> 02:27:22,880
it just felt like it was theoretical uh

3659
02:27:26,870 --> 02:27:25,680
science fiction uh based on science of

3660
02:27:29,510 --> 02:27:26,880
course but

3661
02:27:32,230 --> 02:27:29,520
but just a hard look into the future

3662
02:27:34,870 --> 02:27:32,240
so let me let me ask you a question

3663
02:27:37,349 --> 02:27:34,880
and i'm not i'm not busting chops here

3664
02:27:39,670 --> 02:27:37,359
it surprises you as a lifelong ufo

3665
02:27:41,590 --> 02:27:39,680
researcher that a ufo report had stuff

3666
02:27:45,270 --> 02:27:41,600
in it that you were aware of i'm not

3667
02:27:46,469 --> 02:27:45,280
sure if um going back and looking at

3668
02:27:48,070 --> 02:27:46,479
that though

3669
02:27:51,510 --> 02:27:48,080
i don't know if there was a ufo

3670
02:27:54,630 --> 02:27:51,520
component to any one of the 37

3671
02:27:56,230 --> 02:27:54,640
really yeah yeah now go back and read it

3672
02:27:57,990 --> 02:27:56,240
again

3673
02:28:00,070 --> 02:27:58,000
read each one because each one is a

3674
02:28:02,070 --> 02:28:00,080
different subject sure

3675
02:28:04,710 --> 02:28:02,080
for example i find the one on cockpits

3676
02:28:07,270 --> 02:28:04,720
really compelling yes but but but

3677
02:28:09,910 --> 02:28:07,280
there's there's it doesn't it's there's

3678
02:28:12,550 --> 02:28:09,920
not an alien component to it

3679
02:28:15,349 --> 02:28:12,560
as well there's not a ufo component to

3680
02:28:18,309 --> 02:28:15,359
it oh well i think what you're missing

3681
02:28:20,870 --> 02:28:18,319
here is the advanced aerial

3682
02:28:22,710 --> 02:28:20,880
i'm not great with acronyms

3683
02:28:24,950 --> 02:28:22,720
hey tip okay yeah pardon me for not

3684
02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:24,960
spelling it out i can't do it right now

3685
02:28:29,750 --> 02:28:27,840
atip was studying advanced

3686
02:28:31,110 --> 02:28:29,760
aerial threats

3687
02:28:32,550 --> 02:28:31,120
okay

3688
02:28:34,389 --> 02:28:32,560
let me be be

3689
02:28:36,870 --> 02:28:34,399
simple enough to say i think we've seen

3690
02:28:38,469 --> 02:28:36,880
in the last six or so weeks

3691
02:28:40,950 --> 02:28:38,479
that the advanced aerial threats were

3692
02:28:43,270 --> 02:28:40,960
not coming out of russia

3693
02:28:44,550 --> 02:28:43,280
now a lot of us could speculate that oh

3694
02:28:46,469 --> 02:28:44,560
they're holding them in the bands and

3695
02:28:47,670 --> 02:28:46,479
they just want to lose really hard

3696
02:28:49,590 --> 02:28:47,680
really bad

3697
02:28:51,270 --> 02:28:49,600
and and look stupid

3698
02:28:53,030 --> 02:28:51,280
on the world stage and then they're

3699
02:28:54,150 --> 02:28:53,040
going to show us i don't buy that

3700
02:28:56,070 --> 02:28:54,160
other people are going to say the

3701
02:28:58,150 --> 02:28:56,080
chinese they've got it must be the

3702
02:28:59,030 --> 02:28:58,160
chinese well we just moved to the must

3703
02:29:01,429 --> 02:28:59,040
from

3704
02:29:04,469 --> 02:29:01,439
russia to must be china yes yes yes or

3705
02:29:06,790 --> 02:29:04,479
or israel right or israel or and and

3706
02:29:08,469 --> 02:29:06,800
don't get me wrong man i'm i'm

3707
02:29:10,150 --> 02:29:08,479
i could probably get into a freaking

3708
02:29:11,830 --> 02:29:10,160
three-hour long conversation with you

3709
02:29:14,230 --> 02:29:11,840
and rich dolan over

3710
02:29:16,230 --> 02:29:14,240
over where the private sector falls into

3711
02:29:17,750 --> 02:29:16,240
things like breakaways or or the those

3712
02:29:19,030 --> 02:29:17,760
hypothesis

3713
02:29:20,550 --> 02:29:19,040
um

3714
02:29:22,230 --> 02:29:20,560
but i just

3715
02:29:23,670 --> 02:29:22,240
i think that what we've seen what we

3716
02:29:24,790 --> 02:29:23,680
have to say to ourselves is what was

3717
02:29:26,710 --> 02:29:24,800
atip

3718
02:29:28,150 --> 02:29:26,720
what was a tip

3719
02:29:29,349 --> 02:29:28,160
studying

3720
02:29:31,830 --> 02:29:29,359
okay

3721
02:29:33,910 --> 02:29:31,840
if we don't believe that the if if we in

3722
02:29:35,830 --> 02:29:33,920
this community don't believe the the

3723
02:29:38,469 --> 02:29:35,840
threat as we call it in the military

3724
02:29:40,950 --> 02:29:38,479
because it's until it's identified and

3725
02:29:43,349 --> 02:29:40,960
until it is friendly and until we have

3726
02:29:45,510 --> 02:29:43,359
treaties and and memorandums of

3727
02:29:47,349 --> 02:29:45,520
understanding and all of that stuff

3728
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:47,359
military and law enforcement personnel

3729
02:29:51,830 --> 02:29:50,399
look at intruders as a threat sure um

3730
02:29:53,110 --> 02:29:51,840
not getting into the argument of do they

3731
02:29:54,389 --> 02:29:53,120
live here with us that makes them not

3732
02:29:56,309 --> 02:29:54,399
intruders i don't know those are the

3733
02:29:58,309 --> 02:29:56,319
answers we're all looking for

3734
02:30:00,950 --> 02:29:58,319
but we look at it a certain way and so

3735
02:30:02,550 --> 02:30:00,960
we want we're going to identify that

3736
02:30:04,309 --> 02:30:02,560
we or what i'm saying is i'm just

3737
02:30:05,990 --> 02:30:04,319
getting back to the fact that we need to

3738
02:30:07,750 --> 02:30:06,000
identify these things

3739
02:30:09,670 --> 02:30:07,760
and in the military

3740
02:30:12,070 --> 02:30:09,680
we identify what we know

3741
02:30:13,830 --> 02:30:12,080
as i said on twitter the other day a a

3742
02:30:16,469 --> 02:30:13,840
loitering aircraft

3743
02:30:19,110 --> 02:30:16,479
over a a test range

3744
02:30:21,349 --> 02:30:19,120
is a low slow flyer and it will remain a

3745
02:30:22,950 --> 02:30:21,359
low slow flyer in the in all the stuff

3746
02:30:25,670 --> 02:30:22,960
the folks are writing they may say an

3747
02:30:27,429 --> 02:30:25,680
unidentified low slow fire no sailors

3748
02:30:29,030 --> 02:30:27,439
ever going to write uap or ufo because

3749
02:30:30,790 --> 02:30:29,040
they don't know what the heck that is

3750
02:30:32,469 --> 02:30:30,800
they probably they do now possibly there

3751
02:30:34,150 --> 02:30:32,479
might be a check mark now

3752
02:30:35,750 --> 02:30:34,160
but for the last 70 years no one's been

3753
02:30:37,750 --> 02:30:35,760
socialized to the idea that anything

3754
02:30:40,150 --> 02:30:37,760
like that is real

3755
02:30:41,030 --> 02:30:40,160
so we're past that

3756
02:30:42,710 --> 02:30:41,040
and

3757
02:30:43,990 --> 02:30:42,720
i i guess

3758
02:30:45,429 --> 02:30:44,000
i i feel like i lost a little bit of the

3759
02:30:47,750 --> 02:30:45,439
plot of what we're what you asked me

3760
02:30:50,630 --> 02:30:47,760
well i was i was talking about uh the

3761
02:30:52,309 --> 02:30:50,640
references um in the durds and if they

3762
02:30:55,670 --> 02:30:52,319
were actually

3763
02:30:59,190 --> 02:30:55,680
uh directly uh related to

3764
02:31:01,590 --> 02:30:59,200
ufos aliens et stuff off planet

3765
02:31:03,990 --> 02:31:01,600
but uh we're going to head to a break we

3766
02:31:06,389 --> 02:31:04,000
never got to the uaptf report we will do

3767
02:31:09,429 --> 02:31:06,399
that when we come back but

3768
02:31:12,469 --> 02:31:09,439
there was one thing and a part of the

3769
02:31:15,510 --> 02:31:12,479
dirt is dr eric davis

3770
02:31:18,150 --> 02:31:15,520
and so dr eric davis is

3771
02:31:20,790 --> 02:31:18,160
has a quote attributed to him in the new

3772
02:31:22,469 --> 02:31:20,800
york times two years ago buried in this

3773
02:31:25,349 --> 02:31:22,479
article by leslie kane and ralph

3774
02:31:27,510 --> 02:31:25,359
blumenthal where he says

3775
02:31:28,550 --> 02:31:27,520
i briefed the senate intelligence

3776
02:31:33,110 --> 02:31:28,560
committee

3777
02:31:36,150 --> 02:31:33,120
and told them that we are in possession

3778
02:31:38,389 --> 02:31:36,160
of flying saucers not of this planet

3779
02:31:40,309 --> 02:31:38,399
right okay well i'm paraphrasing but

3780
02:31:43,030 --> 02:31:40,319
that's that's

3781
02:31:46,630 --> 02:31:43,040
he said it very very directly

3782
02:31:48,870 --> 02:31:46,640
now that says a lot in that the new york

3783
02:31:50,230 --> 02:31:48,880
times is not going to print that unless

3784
02:31:52,950 --> 02:31:50,240
they vetted

3785
02:31:56,230 --> 02:31:52,960
where that came from right what does

3786
02:31:59,750 --> 02:31:56,240
that say to you uh this isn't a video

3787
02:32:02,469 --> 02:31:59,760
this isn't we're talking about an object

3788
02:32:03,750 --> 02:32:02,479
of physical craft in our possession

3789
02:32:05,510 --> 02:32:03,760
well i'm not i'm not going to hit the

3790
02:32:07,830 --> 02:32:05,520
ball right back to you and blame you but

3791
02:32:09,990 --> 02:32:07,840
who out of the guys with big microphones

3792
02:32:12,710 --> 02:32:10,000
have asked eric that question

3793
02:32:15,750 --> 02:32:12,720
i've tried to get to him and but but

3794
02:32:18,070 --> 02:32:15,760
wait a minute that's the best point that

3795
02:32:21,830 --> 02:32:18,080
i have gone back i asked ralph

3796
02:32:23,030 --> 02:32:21,840
blumenthal this ex direct question

3797
02:32:26,950 --> 02:32:23,040
sean

3798
02:32:30,230 --> 02:32:26,960
why hasn't the journalist seized on that

3799
02:32:32,630 --> 02:32:30,240
opportunity of the gift of a lifetime

3800
02:32:33,830 --> 02:32:32,640
right that's your story

3801
02:32:38,070 --> 02:32:33,840
right there

3802
02:32:40,150 --> 02:32:38,080
why isn't that news and why did we all

3803
02:32:42,309 --> 02:32:40,160
just let it go and i'm talking about the

3804
02:32:43,830 --> 02:32:42,319
median journalist

3805
02:32:45,750 --> 02:32:43,840
how come some people can walk right up

3806
02:32:47,270 --> 02:32:45,760
to a lawn mower and say they ain't got

3807
02:32:52,150 --> 02:32:47,280
no gas in it and other people are going

3808
02:32:57,349 --> 02:32:54,230
why you're sean cahill and i'm just a

3809
02:32:59,590 --> 02:32:57,359
radio host let's let's take our break

3810
02:33:01,429 --> 02:32:59,600
sean when we come back i want to get to

3811
02:33:04,630 --> 02:33:01,439
uh your notes

3812
02:33:08,309 --> 02:33:04,640
on on the report that was just released

3813
02:33:10,630 --> 02:33:08,319
and i i want to focus on page six

3814
02:33:11,510 --> 02:33:10,640
everything else is redacted so it

3815
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:11,520
doesn't

3816
02:33:17,910 --> 02:33:14,640
i'm your host jimmy church tonight sean

3817
02:33:20,790 --> 02:33:17,920
cahill we are going into overtime and we

3818
02:33:22,950 --> 02:33:20,800
are going to take a look at the uap

3819
02:33:24,950 --> 02:33:22,960
task force report and if you want to see

3820
02:33:27,190 --> 02:33:24,960
the report head over to the black vault

3821
02:33:28,550 --> 02:33:27,200
and you can do the pdf download right

3822
02:33:30,309 --> 02:33:28,560
there

3823
02:33:32,550 --> 02:33:30,319
i'm your host jimmy church this is fade

3824
02:33:34,070 --> 02:33:32,560
to black over time with sean when we

3825
02:33:37,230 --> 02:33:34,080
come back after this short break stay

3826
02:33:57,030 --> 02:33:37,240
with us

3827
02:34:00,710 --> 02:33:59,110
you're listening to jimmy church and

3828
02:34:05,670 --> 02:34:00,720
fade to black

3829
02:34:09,910 --> 02:34:07,510
hey what up y'all should go biblical fox

3830
02:34:15,190 --> 02:34:09,920
here and you are listening to my boy

3831
02:34:24,280 --> 02:34:17,750
despite jimmychurchradio.com opinion

3832
02:34:28,309 --> 02:34:25,830
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3833
02:34:30,389 --> 02:34:28,319
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3834
02:34:33,190 --> 02:34:30,399
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3835
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3837
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3838
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:39,680
say their gods came from across the

3839
02:34:44,790 --> 02:34:42,240
ocean or from the mountains they always

3840
02:34:47,670 --> 02:34:44,800
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3841
02:34:49,510 --> 02:34:47,680
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3842
02:34:51,990 --> 02:34:49,520
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3843
02:34:53,990 --> 02:34:52,000
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3844
02:34:56,230 --> 02:34:54,000
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3845
02:34:58,150 --> 02:34:56,240
beings they considered their gods

3846
02:34:59,990 --> 02:34:58,160
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3847
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take a a look some analysis at uh the

3932
02:39:14,710 --> 02:39:12,319
redacted uh ua ptf report that was

3933
02:39:18,870 --> 02:39:14,720
released june 25th last year

3934
02:39:19,990 --> 02:39:18,880
um it is at uh theblackvault.com

3935
02:39:22,550 --> 02:39:20,000
and

3936
02:39:24,550 --> 02:39:22,560
you can download the pd excuse me the

3937
02:39:26,950 --> 02:39:24,560
pdf version and i've also put up the

3938
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links in in the chat room in in social

3939
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3940
02:39:31,030 --> 02:39:29,600
that

3941
02:39:33,270 --> 02:39:31,040
and uh

3942
02:39:34,630 --> 02:39:33,280
now sean by the way i'm just going to

3943
02:39:35,830 --> 02:39:34,640
say this

3944
02:39:38,710 --> 02:39:35,840
your

3945
02:39:42,710 --> 02:39:38,720
u.s navy official photograph that image

3946
02:39:45,349 --> 02:39:42,720
man that is that is internet gold

3947
02:39:47,990 --> 02:39:45,359
i've done everything i could not to post

3948
02:39:50,070 --> 02:39:48,000
it i'm just just letting you know i

3949
02:39:52,309 --> 02:39:50,080
appreciate it

3950
02:39:54,790 --> 02:39:52,319
you've grown up and uh found the

3951
02:39:56,469 --> 02:39:54,800
fountain of youth okay so i just i i

3952
02:39:57,830 --> 02:39:56,479
looked at it during the break it's it's

3953
02:40:00,309 --> 02:39:57,840
just too funny

3954
02:40:04,710 --> 02:40:00,319
um you're so serious

3955
02:40:07,590 --> 02:40:04,720
um okay uh let's take a look at uh

3956
02:40:09,590 --> 02:40:07,600
page six which i would like everybody to

3957
02:40:11,270 --> 02:40:09,600
uh pull up page six scroll down there's

3958
02:40:15,830 --> 02:40:11,280
24 pages there

3959
02:40:17,670 --> 02:40:15,840
it is the page that is labeled six okay

3960
02:40:20,309 --> 02:40:17,680
don't go in the order

3961
02:40:22,710 --> 02:40:20,319
of uh the pdf document because you'll

3962
02:40:24,870 --> 02:40:22,720
land on the wrong page uh and the top

3963
02:40:26,389 --> 02:40:24,880
part of the page it starts off redacted

3964
02:40:29,429 --> 02:40:26,399
by the way

3965
02:40:32,070 --> 02:40:29,439
but it's 1.4 sub a

3966
02:40:33,990 --> 02:40:32,080
and uh and then you can scroll down and

3967
02:40:36,309 --> 02:40:34,000
then it says page six at the bottom

3968
02:40:38,870 --> 02:40:36,319
followed by another redaction okay but

3969
02:40:41,110 --> 02:40:38,880
what is curious uh to me

3970
02:40:43,269 --> 02:40:41,120
about this

3971
02:40:47,190 --> 02:40:43,279
is is this

3972
02:40:50,870 --> 02:40:47,200
there are the redactions but there is

3973
02:40:54,710 --> 02:40:50,880
a data gold mined in between those

3974
02:40:57,030 --> 02:40:54,720
redactions and what was being reported

3975
02:40:59,030 --> 02:40:57,040
on and seen and witnessed

3976
02:41:00,550 --> 02:40:59,040
and so i want to start off with this and

3977
02:41:04,070 --> 02:41:00,560
then get your comment

3978
02:41:05,349 --> 02:41:04,080
because the top of the page says

3979
02:41:08,710 --> 02:41:05,359
redaction

3980
02:41:11,269 --> 02:41:08,720
observed uap usually travel between

3981
02:41:13,830 --> 02:41:11,279
redaction and redaction

3982
02:41:17,110 --> 02:41:13,840
altitudes varied for these objects but

3983
02:41:19,110 --> 02:41:17,120
frequently registered between redacted

3984
02:41:24,389 --> 02:41:19,120
and redacted

3985
02:41:25,990 --> 02:41:24,399
uh mean c level the msl we have redacted

3986
02:41:28,389 --> 02:41:26,000
cases

3987
02:41:31,030 --> 02:41:28,399
now that's just that i don't even know

3988
02:41:33,830 --> 02:41:31,040
why that would be redacted however

3989
02:41:36,309 --> 02:41:33,840
in which the observer perceived that the

3990
02:41:38,150 --> 02:41:36,319
uap demonstrated

3991
02:41:40,790 --> 02:41:38,160
redaction

3992
02:41:43,590 --> 02:41:40,800
and another in which the uap was

3993
02:41:44,469 --> 02:41:43,600
detected redacted

3994
02:41:47,030 --> 02:41:44,479
feet

3995
02:41:48,870 --> 02:41:47,040
at uh mean sea level now just that

3996
02:41:52,070 --> 02:41:48,880
paragraph there i don't understand the

3997
02:41:54,230 --> 02:41:52,080
redactions uh for that i don't see the

3998
02:41:55,910 --> 02:41:54,240
acquiring of data that is going to be

3999
02:41:58,469 --> 02:41:55,920
revealed with the radar systems or

4000
02:41:59,990 --> 02:41:58,479
something sensitive in security

4001
02:42:01,910 --> 02:42:00,000
why

4002
02:42:04,070 --> 02:42:01,920
let me read it differently

4003
02:42:06,070 --> 02:42:04,080
i'm just going to change the word uap

4004
02:42:07,349 --> 02:42:06,080
the observed mig usually traveled

4005
02:42:09,830 --> 02:42:07,359
between

4006
02:42:11,590 --> 02:42:09,840
now you're telling us the operating

4007
02:42:13,590 --> 02:42:11,600
parameters of the mig

4008
02:42:15,910 --> 02:42:13,600
for these objects but frequently

4009
02:42:18,389 --> 02:42:15,920
registered between blank and blank we're

4010
02:42:20,150 --> 02:42:18,399
probably looking at a at an at a

4011
02:42:22,070 --> 02:42:20,160
altitude versus

4012
02:42:23,269 --> 02:42:22,080
a uh

4013
02:42:26,309 --> 02:42:23,279
amount of

4014
02:42:28,870 --> 02:42:26,319
feet above the mean sea level um so

4015
02:42:30,070 --> 02:42:28,880
again operating ability it's it's

4016
02:42:33,910 --> 02:42:30,080
attributes

4017
02:42:36,389 --> 02:42:33,920
uh we have blank cases so if this was a

4018
02:42:38,870 --> 02:42:36,399
foreign adversary stating how many cases

4019
02:42:41,750 --> 02:42:38,880
you have in which the observer perceived

4020
02:42:43,990 --> 02:42:41,760
that uap excuse me that the mig

4021
02:42:44,870 --> 02:42:44,000
demonstrated blank

4022
02:42:47,510 --> 02:42:44,880
so

4023
02:42:50,070 --> 02:42:47,520
whether that phrase right there says uh

4024
02:42:53,110 --> 02:42:50,080
exotic capabilities or

4025
02:42:55,990 --> 02:42:53,120
aerial performance that outstrips

4026
02:42:57,510 --> 02:42:56,000
our our f-35

4027
02:42:59,590 --> 02:42:57,520
those things are not something you would

4028
02:43:01,910 --> 02:42:59,600
ever put in a public report because if

4029
02:43:03,750 --> 02:43:01,920
it is an adversary they're going to

4030
02:43:05,590 --> 02:43:03,760
let's let me put it this way

4031
02:43:08,309 --> 02:43:05,600
you don't want somebody to to know

4032
02:43:10,230 --> 02:43:08,319
anything about your tesla okay and then

4033
02:43:13,510 --> 02:43:10,240
a report comes out that your tesla was

4034
02:43:15,830 --> 02:43:13,520
clocked doing 120 miles an hour well if

4035
02:43:17,750 --> 02:43:15,840
you know your tesla does 200 miles an

4036
02:43:21,110 --> 02:43:17,760
hour and you just found out the police

4037
02:43:23,269 --> 02:43:21,120
only only can only clock to you at 120

4038
02:43:25,750 --> 02:43:23,279
you've just found out that you have

4039
02:43:28,309 --> 02:43:25,760
jumped them in their ability to even

4040
02:43:30,150 --> 02:43:28,319
detect and perceive you so all of these

4041
02:43:31,750 --> 02:43:30,160
things that we're seeing in there and

4042
02:43:33,990 --> 02:43:31,760
again i want to i want to back up to one

4043
02:43:37,190 --> 02:43:34,000
piece you and i have have been remiss in

4044
02:43:39,670 --> 02:43:37,200
one thing we've conflated alien crash

4045
02:43:41,510 --> 02:43:39,680
big picture kind of thing sure

4046
02:43:45,190 --> 02:43:41,520
what we're looking at here if i can

4047
02:43:48,070 --> 02:43:45,200
remind us is the preliminary assessment

4048
02:43:49,110 --> 02:43:48,080
of unidentified aerial phenomena

4049
02:43:51,990 --> 02:43:49,120
so

4050
02:43:53,190 --> 02:43:52,000
a preliminary assessment is you have you

4051
02:43:55,670 --> 02:43:53,200
know what they how much time did they

4052
02:43:57,750 --> 02:43:55,680
have weeks months six months i think

4053
02:44:00,070 --> 02:43:57,760
before the report was due

4054
02:44:02,630 --> 02:44:00,080
so you got six months

4055
02:44:04,469 --> 02:44:02,640
to comb through everything

4056
02:44:06,150 --> 02:44:04,479
by the way there's no office of this to

4057
02:44:08,150 --> 02:44:06,160
just call up and say send me the files

4058
02:44:09,030 --> 02:44:08,160
you got to contact every single person

4059
02:44:10,550 --> 02:44:09,040
that you

4060
02:44:12,070 --> 02:44:10,560
excuse me every single office or

4061
02:44:14,230 --> 02:44:12,080
department that you think may have ever

4062
02:44:16,870 --> 02:44:14,240
collected data on this so i can imagine

4063
02:44:18,550 --> 02:44:16,880
an all call went out

4064
02:44:20,150 --> 02:44:18,560
now when an all call and data comes out

4065
02:44:21,590 --> 02:44:20,160
you've got people that give the data

4066
02:44:23,030 --> 02:44:21,600
right away because they're good workers

4067
02:44:24,309 --> 02:44:23,040
you've got people that sit on it for six

4068
02:44:25,990 --> 02:44:24,319
weeks because they're unorganized and

4069
02:44:27,750 --> 02:44:26,000
they gotta be yelled at by their boss

4070
02:44:29,670 --> 02:44:27,760
and then you got people like air force

4071
02:44:30,790 --> 02:44:29,680
that don't even help yeah that won't

4072
02:44:33,190 --> 02:44:30,800
give it up

4073
02:44:34,870 --> 02:44:33,200
so it that's another place to focus but

4074
02:44:36,630 --> 02:44:34,880
let me do let me not perseverate on that

4075
02:44:39,110 --> 02:44:36,640
and just say this was a preliminary

4076
02:44:40,790 --> 02:44:39,120
report so they gathered the quickest

4077
02:44:42,710 --> 02:44:40,800
dirtiest picture they could and got it

4078
02:44:46,150 --> 02:44:42,720
back to to congress what we're looking

4079
02:44:47,750 --> 02:44:46,160
at here is just that kind of simple data

4080
02:44:48,790 --> 02:44:47,760
that because there's it doesn't say

4081
02:44:51,030 --> 02:44:48,800
anything in here and there's no

4082
02:44:53,190 --> 02:44:51,040
conclusions in here so

4083
02:44:54,950 --> 02:44:53,200
if it was aliens

4084
02:44:56,309 --> 02:44:54,960
honestly we might even redact it the

4085
02:44:58,230 --> 02:44:56,319
same way

4086
02:44:59,030 --> 02:44:58,240
because yeah i want them to know what we

4087
02:45:01,830 --> 02:44:59,040
know

4088
02:45:04,309 --> 02:45:01,840
okay now this is where i go but

4089
02:45:05,670 --> 02:45:04,319
right there's always a butt

4090
02:45:07,670 --> 02:45:05,680
but

4091
02:45:10,309 --> 02:45:07,680
they also

4092
02:45:14,389 --> 02:45:10,319
gave a preliminary assessment

4093
02:45:17,269 --> 02:45:14,399
that they couldn't assign anything to uh

4094
02:45:18,230 --> 02:45:17,279
a state actor or foreign adversary

4095
02:45:22,070 --> 02:45:18,240
correct

4096
02:45:23,429 --> 02:45:22,080
named other though that's right so now

4097
02:45:25,429 --> 02:45:23,439
let's go to

4098
02:45:27,910 --> 02:45:25,439
the next paragraph

4099
02:45:30,469 --> 02:45:27,920
because where they've redacted the

4100
02:45:32,710 --> 02:45:30,479
amount of cases right they've redacted

4101
02:45:35,030 --> 02:45:32,720
the amount of cases in the for we have

4102
02:45:37,429 --> 02:45:35,040
redacted cases and then we go to the

4103
02:45:39,190 --> 02:45:37,439
next paragraph which is

4104
02:45:41,910 --> 02:45:39,200
let me back up say we have redacted

4105
02:45:45,990 --> 02:45:41,920
cases in which the observer perceived

4106
02:45:47,590 --> 02:45:46,000
that uap demonstrated redacted

4107
02:45:49,830 --> 02:45:47,600
they're not they're not just keeping the

4108
02:45:52,070 --> 02:45:49,840
amount of cases redacted it's not just

4109
02:45:53,990 --> 02:45:52,080
saying we had 20 cases it's saying we

4110
02:45:55,190 --> 02:45:54,000
had 20 cases that did this specific

4111
02:45:58,309 --> 02:45:55,200
thing that we don't want to make public

4112
02:46:01,190 --> 02:45:58,319
right now so why would they have the

4113
02:46:04,469 --> 02:46:01,200
next paragraph unredacted

4114
02:46:07,830 --> 02:46:04,479
in 18 incidents right they didn't redact

4115
02:46:11,590 --> 02:46:07,840
that described in 21 reports that's not

4116
02:46:12,630 --> 02:46:11,600
redacted observers reported unusual uap

4117
02:46:15,269 --> 02:46:12,640
movement

4118
02:46:16,309 --> 02:46:15,279
patterns of flight characteristics and

4119
02:46:23,110 --> 02:46:16,319
or

4120
02:46:25,750 --> 02:46:23,120
redacted

4121
02:46:27,590 --> 02:46:25,760
it's it's like it's contradictory to the

4122
02:46:29,510 --> 02:46:27,600
opening paragraph if we're really

4123
02:46:32,950 --> 02:46:29,520
sleuthing it let's let's go let's not

4124
02:46:35,590 --> 02:46:32,960
skip anything we have blank cases which

4125
02:46:38,150 --> 02:46:35,600
observers perceived blank

4126
02:46:39,910 --> 02:46:38,160
then the next line item is or the

4127
02:46:42,150 --> 02:46:39,920
subject you

4128
02:46:43,990 --> 02:46:42,160
and a handful of uap appear to

4129
02:46:45,830 --> 02:46:44,000
demonstrate advanced technology what

4130
02:46:47,910 --> 02:46:45,840
this indicates is whatever is being

4131
02:46:50,550 --> 02:46:47,920
redacted in the previous paragraph was

4132
02:46:51,670 --> 02:46:50,560
not advanced technology

4133
02:46:53,830 --> 02:46:51,680
okay

4134
02:46:56,070 --> 02:46:53,840
so they say and a handful of uap appear

4135
02:46:57,990 --> 02:46:56,080
to demonstrate advanced technology in 18

4136
02:47:00,230 --> 02:46:58,000
incidents described in 21 reports

4137
02:47:02,469 --> 02:47:00,240
observers reported unusual uap movement

4138
02:47:04,469 --> 02:47:02,479
patterns or flight characteristics

4139
02:47:05,349 --> 02:47:04,479
and or blank

4140
02:47:07,190 --> 02:47:05,359
now

4141
02:47:10,070 --> 02:47:07,200
let's you and i can guess that says

4142
02:47:12,550 --> 02:47:10,080
exotic propulsion or five observables or

4143
02:47:15,590 --> 02:47:12,560
something like that which they do in the

4144
02:47:17,190 --> 02:47:15,600
next paragraph right so a lot of this is

4145
02:47:18,070 --> 02:47:17,200
contextual and what i all i'm saying

4146
02:47:20,710 --> 02:47:18,080
here is

4147
02:47:21,750 --> 02:47:20,720
if we grab a paragraph and apply meaning

4148
02:47:24,150 --> 02:47:21,760
to it

4149
02:47:25,429 --> 02:47:24,160
will it work maybe but we that's why we

4150
02:47:27,830 --> 02:47:25,439
got to read the whole page through so we

4151
02:47:28,790 --> 02:47:27,840
can't skip any of the lines military

4152
02:47:30,710 --> 02:47:28,800
speak

4153
02:47:33,510 --> 02:47:30,720
is gobbledygook

4154
02:47:35,910 --> 02:47:33,520
um half the time it's acronyms we we

4155
02:47:38,710 --> 02:47:35,920
drop certain words you know you might

4156
02:47:40,469 --> 02:47:38,720
say you know met with complainant

4157
02:47:42,630 --> 02:47:40,479
711

4158
02:47:44,630 --> 02:47:42,640
because you know it's a shorthand and

4159
02:47:47,590 --> 02:47:44,640
and people who write these

4160
02:47:49,510 --> 02:47:47,600
tend to fall into that shorthand so the

4161
02:47:50,710 --> 02:47:49,520
it's very important that we go that we

4162
02:47:52,150 --> 02:47:50,720
read the whole thing i'm not sure i'm

4163
02:47:54,630 --> 02:47:52,160
not saying read less i'm saying read

4164
02:47:57,429 --> 02:47:54,640
more right right okay so let's go to the

4165
02:47:59,750 --> 02:47:57,439
uh paragraph three under you right which

4166
02:48:02,389 --> 02:47:59,760
is paragraph two under you

4167
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:02,399
um which is redacted

4168
02:48:07,910 --> 02:48:05,680
some uap appeared to remain stationary

4169
02:48:11,190 --> 02:48:07,920
in winds aloft move

4170
02:48:14,429 --> 02:48:11,200
against the wind maneuver abruptly or

4171
02:48:17,910 --> 02:48:14,439
move at considerable speed without

4172
02:48:20,070 --> 02:48:17,920
discernible means of propulsion

4173
02:48:22,150 --> 02:48:20,080
in a small number of cases military

4174
02:48:25,910 --> 02:48:22,160
aircraft systems processed radio

4175
02:48:27,510 --> 02:48:25,920
frequency rf energy associated with uap

4176
02:48:28,870 --> 02:48:27,520
sightings as

4177
02:48:37,269 --> 02:48:28,880
redacted

4178
02:48:38,710 --> 02:48:37,279
recordings of mda display suggest these

4179
02:48:42,309 --> 02:48:38,720
uap

4180
02:48:45,750 --> 02:48:42,319
redacted a lot of redacted actually

4181
02:48:48,710 --> 02:48:45,760
so again uh without discernible means of

4182
02:48:53,110 --> 02:48:48,720
propulsion what does that suggest to you

4183
02:48:54,870 --> 02:48:53,120
well that suggests to me that again well

4184
02:48:56,469 --> 02:48:54,880
those are those redactions are too large

4185
02:48:57,750 --> 02:48:56,479
for me to really speculate what what

4186
02:48:59,750 --> 02:48:57,760
might be there

4187
02:49:00,950 --> 02:48:59,760
but let me say let me allude to

4188
02:49:03,510 --> 02:49:00,960
something different

4189
02:49:06,230 --> 02:49:03,520
what you're seeing here in my opinion is

4190
02:49:07,510 --> 02:49:06,240
is proper redaction of classified

4191
02:49:09,429 --> 02:49:07,520
systems

4192
02:49:11,830 --> 02:49:09,439
that may or may not have collected this

4193
02:49:13,750 --> 02:49:11,840
data now if we you may or may not have

4194
02:49:16,150 --> 02:49:13,760
seen in the last couple days

4195
02:49:17,510 --> 02:49:16,160
the the russian army appears to have

4196
02:49:19,910 --> 02:49:17,520
abandoned

4197
02:49:21,590 --> 02:49:19,920
a a conex box if you know what that is

4198
02:49:22,630 --> 02:49:21,600
like the like you know like a shipping

4199
02:49:24,790 --> 02:49:22,640
container

4200
02:49:27,590 --> 02:49:24,800
with a command center for one of their

4201
02:49:29,429 --> 02:49:27,600
most advanced and misunderstood

4202
02:49:31,910 --> 02:49:29,439
electronic warfare systems that they're

4203
02:49:34,230 --> 02:49:31,920
utilizing today somebody retreated and

4204
02:49:35,349 --> 02:49:34,240
left the whole thing back

4205
02:49:37,190 --> 02:49:35,359
so

4206
02:49:39,750 --> 02:49:37,200
they really wish that that could get

4207
02:49:41,750 --> 02:49:39,760
redacted their entire

4208
02:49:44,309 --> 02:49:41,760
program for that is now going to become

4209
02:49:46,550 --> 02:49:44,319
known by their adversary now what we're

4210
02:49:49,190 --> 02:49:46,560
doing here is is these might be details

4211
02:49:50,790 --> 02:49:49,200
about systems similar to ourself whether

4212
02:49:52,150 --> 02:49:50,800
whether you're saying you

4213
02:49:53,670 --> 02:49:52,160
and i'm going to make an arbitrary

4214
02:49:55,190 --> 02:49:53,680
number up in my head but you want to say

4215
02:49:58,070 --> 02:49:55,200
or so you know they were detected on a

4216
02:49:59,429 --> 02:49:58,080
frequency band of 14.8 megahertz again

4217
02:50:01,349 --> 02:49:59,439
no meaning just pulled that out of the

4218
02:50:02,870 --> 02:50:01,359
ether

4219
02:50:04,230 --> 02:50:02,880
if you tell an adversary that you

4220
02:50:06,150 --> 02:50:04,240
detected something at a certain

4221
02:50:08,550 --> 02:50:06,160
frequency range you've given them

4222
02:50:10,710 --> 02:50:08,560
understanding of your of your warfare

4223
02:50:13,030 --> 02:50:10,720
system the russians don't want us to

4224
02:50:15,590 --> 02:50:13,040
have that box full of full of full of

4225
02:50:18,469 --> 02:50:15,600
electronics and computers and probably

4226
02:50:20,389 --> 02:50:18,479
uh operating manuals and things like

4227
02:50:22,870 --> 02:50:20,399
that their their intel folks are

4228
02:50:24,550 --> 02:50:22,880
probably devastated right now that that

4229
02:50:25,910 --> 02:50:24,560
was captured

4230
02:50:28,070 --> 02:50:25,920
at no point do we want to give those

4231
02:50:31,030 --> 02:50:28,080
details away to an adversary and this

4232
02:50:33,110 --> 02:50:31,040
preliminary report was not tasked with

4233
02:50:35,110 --> 02:50:33,120
determining whether alien life exists in

4234
02:50:37,670 --> 02:50:35,120
the universe or ufos or visiting the

4235
02:50:40,469 --> 02:50:37,680
planet they were tasked with doing a

4236
02:50:41,830 --> 02:50:40,479
preliminary sweep on a broad subject

4237
02:50:42,950 --> 02:50:41,840
that most of us have a hard time even

4238
02:50:44,710 --> 02:50:42,960
defining

4239
02:50:47,190 --> 02:50:44,720
um you know you and i were on the phone

4240
02:50:48,469 --> 02:50:47,200
earlier talking about ufo versus uap

4241
02:50:50,469 --> 02:50:48,479
and i think that's still something that

4242
02:50:52,070 --> 02:50:50,479
confuses a lot of folks and they a lot

4243
02:50:53,990 --> 02:50:52,080
of folks have assigned this conspiracy

4244
02:50:56,389 --> 02:50:54,000
that they're trying to change the name

4245
02:51:00,309 --> 02:50:56,399
no we're not no no no and there is no we

4246
02:51:02,469 --> 02:51:00,319
trying to change anything the fact is

4247
02:51:05,910 --> 02:51:02,479
a ufo

4248
02:51:07,670 --> 02:51:05,920
is an unidentified flying object flying

4249
02:51:10,150 --> 02:51:07,680
has a definition

4250
02:51:13,269 --> 02:51:10,160
flight characteristics have a definition

4251
02:51:15,349 --> 02:51:13,279
and airplane isn't a name that we came

4252
02:51:16,630 --> 02:51:15,359
up with it's a description of the action

4253
02:51:18,389 --> 02:51:16,640
the thing does

4254
02:51:20,389 --> 02:51:18,399
it is a plane

4255
02:51:22,790 --> 02:51:20,399
not a pl not an airplane it's a plane

4256
02:51:24,630 --> 02:51:22,800
just like a piece of wood is a plane

4257
02:51:25,590 --> 02:51:24,640
that has a certain geometry that allows

4258
02:51:27,830 --> 02:51:25,600
it to

4259
02:51:28,630 --> 02:51:27,840
to you to create lift

4260
02:51:32,630 --> 02:51:28,640
so

4261
02:51:34,790 --> 02:51:32,640
uap unidentified aerial phenomena

4262
02:51:37,190 --> 02:51:34,800
indicates something unidentified

4263
02:51:39,349 --> 02:51:37,200
occurring in the air

4264
02:51:40,870 --> 02:51:39,359
it can cover a lot more because you and

4265
02:51:43,429 --> 02:51:40,880
i know you don't do just shows about

4266
02:51:44,550 --> 02:51:43,439
nuts and bolts knock knock knock metal

4267
02:51:46,309 --> 02:51:44,560
craft

4268
02:51:48,309 --> 02:51:46,319
you know we we talk about things that

4269
02:51:49,590 --> 02:51:48,319
are far more esoteric and strange

4270
02:51:51,190 --> 02:51:49,600
because when we start getting into the

4271
02:51:52,630 --> 02:51:51,200
consciousness aspect of this in the

4272
02:51:54,630 --> 02:51:52,640
psychotronics

4273
02:51:56,550 --> 02:51:54,640
you know we're in a whole another area

4274
02:52:00,790 --> 02:51:56,560
we're back into that valley and

4275
02:52:03,750 --> 02:52:00,800
masquerade you know yes um so i think

4276
02:52:08,550 --> 02:52:03,760
uap is a is a better way to talk about

4277
02:52:12,150 --> 02:52:08,560
this do ufos exist yes are ufos uap i

4278
02:52:15,990 --> 02:52:12,160
would say so yes are all uap ufos no

4279
02:52:17,510 --> 02:52:16,000
just as a ufo is not a uso

4280
02:52:18,710 --> 02:52:17,520
now here's a great here's a great

4281
02:52:20,230 --> 02:52:18,720
metaphor

4282
02:52:22,870 --> 02:52:20,240
i may mess some of these up any of the

4283
02:52:24,550 --> 02:52:22,880
astronomy buffs catch me you know flamey

4284
02:52:26,070 --> 02:52:24,560
alive

4285
02:52:28,070 --> 02:52:26,080
meteor

4286
02:52:30,790 --> 02:52:28,080
comes into the atmosphere becomes a

4287
02:52:33,030 --> 02:52:30,800
meteoroid excuse me meteoroid

4288
02:52:35,910 --> 02:52:33,040
in space enters earth's atmosphere and

4289
02:52:38,150 --> 02:52:35,920
begins to burn up and becomes a meteor

4290
02:52:41,349 --> 02:52:38,160
when it reaches the ground it becomes a

4291
02:52:42,870 --> 02:52:41,359
meteorite a meteorite is is a form of is

4292
02:52:44,710 --> 02:52:42,880
a type of a rock

4293
02:52:47,190 --> 02:52:44,720
that is the same thing it transited

4294
02:52:49,510 --> 02:52:47,200
three different places it its name

4295
02:52:52,870 --> 02:52:49,520
changed and its classification changed

4296
02:52:55,110 --> 02:52:52,880
as it transited those mediums a uap

4297
02:52:57,269 --> 02:52:55,120
coming from orbit

4298
02:52:58,630 --> 02:52:57,279
zipping down to five feet above the

4299
02:53:04,469 --> 02:52:58,640
water

4300
02:53:06,150 --> 02:53:04,479
was it it may have been a uap a ufo a

4301
02:53:08,389 --> 02:53:06,160
uso all

4302
02:53:10,710 --> 02:53:08,399
in the same way that that meteor changed

4303
02:53:12,389 --> 02:53:10,720
classification sure it's just a way to

4304
02:53:14,870 --> 02:53:12,399
talk about things it's a way to add more

4305
02:53:16,870 --> 02:53:14,880
information to the system not less

4306
02:53:18,630 --> 02:53:16,880
well when we go to

4307
02:53:20,950 --> 02:53:18,640
um

4308
02:53:24,870 --> 02:53:20,960
the next paragraph after the heavy

4309
02:53:28,389 --> 02:53:24,880
redactions in three and we go to four

4310
02:53:32,150 --> 02:53:28,399
um which is in and the dates redacted or

4311
02:53:34,469 --> 02:53:32,160
the location right a navy pilot in uh in

4312
02:53:37,510 --> 02:53:34,479
ann so we don't know the aircraft and

4313
02:53:40,230 --> 02:53:37,520
that's another heavy two-line redaction

4314
02:53:42,469 --> 02:53:40,240
in altitude he noted the winds aloft

4315
02:53:45,349 --> 02:53:42,479
were greater than redacted he was

4316
02:53:48,389 --> 02:53:45,359
fighting to keep his aircraft in the air

4317
02:53:51,030 --> 02:53:48,399
space redacted was redacted and its

4318
02:53:54,630 --> 02:53:51,040
position was unaffected by the

4319
02:53:56,150 --> 02:53:54,640
redacted the pilot redacted

4320
02:53:57,510 --> 02:53:56,160
object was

4321
02:54:00,150 --> 02:53:57,520
redacted

4322
02:54:03,510 --> 02:54:00,160
this doesn't read to me

4323
02:54:05,429 --> 02:54:03,520
sean um and again your opinion this

4324
02:54:07,590 --> 02:54:05,439
doesn't read to me as terrestrial it

4325
02:54:09,990 --> 02:54:07,600
doesn't feel

4326
02:54:13,030 --> 02:54:10,000
like they know what we're talking about

4327
02:54:15,990 --> 02:54:13,040
that this is a known equipment system

4328
02:54:19,510 --> 02:54:16,000
of ours of northrop grumman of skunk

4329
02:54:22,070 --> 02:54:19,520
works or of the russian air force

4330
02:54:25,670 --> 02:54:22,080
aka unidentified unidentified that's

4331
02:54:28,710 --> 02:54:25,680
what this reads to me as uh

4332
02:54:31,349 --> 02:54:28,720
you can say uap i'm gonna go ufo that's

4333
02:54:33,910 --> 02:54:31,359
that's the vibe that i get

4334
02:54:35,750 --> 02:54:33,920
from even with the heavy redactions and

4335
02:54:37,830 --> 02:54:35,760
that's you and i being educated up to

4336
02:54:40,230 --> 02:54:37,840
the point where uap is a spectrum of

4337
02:54:41,510 --> 02:54:40,240
things sure so i agree with you that's

4338
02:54:44,309 --> 02:54:41,520
but i'm that's where i want to be

4339
02:54:45,750 --> 02:54:44,319
careful and not say ufo right because

4340
02:54:47,670 --> 02:54:45,760
because let's be real here

4341
02:54:48,790 --> 02:54:47,680
we don't know

4342
02:54:49,990 --> 02:54:48,800
shape

4343
02:54:51,830 --> 02:54:50,000
color

4344
02:54:53,590 --> 02:54:51,840
other aspects of this that you and i

4345
02:54:56,309 --> 02:54:53,600
have been socialized to by reading other

4346
02:54:58,870 --> 02:54:56,319
reports are we dealing with an orb did

4347
02:55:01,190 --> 02:54:58,880
there appear to be energetics involved

4348
02:55:03,590 --> 02:55:01,200
are we dealing with the triangle did it

4349
02:55:05,510 --> 02:55:03,600
have any kind of airfoil you know

4350
02:55:06,790 --> 02:55:05,520
there's a lot of questions to ask and we

4351
02:55:08,950 --> 02:55:06,800
don't have them

4352
02:55:11,830 --> 02:55:08,960
so i agree with you this does not sound

4353
02:55:14,550 --> 02:55:11,840
like any terrestrial arsenal i am aware

4354
02:55:16,950 --> 02:55:14,560
of or any any as i like to say people

4355
02:55:18,550 --> 02:55:16,960
that pay taxes and have an email address

4356
02:55:20,550 --> 02:55:18,560
you know what i mean because pretty much

4357
02:55:21,990 --> 02:55:20,560
anybody that's going to deal with this

4358
02:55:23,510 --> 02:55:22,000
stuff and have that level of money and

4359
02:55:24,870 --> 02:55:23,520
technology is going to do both of those

4360
02:55:26,630 --> 02:55:24,880
things or at least

4361
02:55:29,110 --> 02:55:26,640
give the semblance of paying taxes not

4362
02:55:31,110 --> 02:55:29,120
to make a joke

4363
02:55:33,830 --> 02:55:31,120
i don't see that here either i see

4364
02:55:34,790 --> 02:55:33,840
something that i would term as exotic

4365
02:55:36,790 --> 02:55:34,800
um

4366
02:55:38,710 --> 02:55:36,800
especially if it's able to hold station

4367
02:55:40,630 --> 02:55:38,720
in a place that our best technology is

4368
02:55:41,910 --> 02:55:40,640
fighting a headwind in

4369
02:55:45,750 --> 02:55:41,920
now uh

4370
02:55:47,910 --> 02:55:45,760
i'm looking at the clock one last run at

4371
02:55:49,429 --> 02:55:47,920
this and then i've got a follow-up

4372
02:55:52,469 --> 02:55:49,439
question for you

4373
02:55:54,309 --> 02:55:52,479
um the uap task force holds a small

4374
02:55:56,550 --> 02:55:54,319
amount of data that appear to show this

4375
02:55:59,429 --> 02:55:56,560
is the last paragraph from paychecks

4376
02:56:02,230 --> 02:55:59,439
to show uap demonstrating acceleration

4377
02:56:04,309 --> 02:56:02,240
or a degree of signature management and

4378
02:56:07,190 --> 02:56:04,319
i want to know what was redacted right

4379
02:56:08,150 --> 02:56:07,200
there i'll guess for you at that one

4380
02:56:09,590 --> 02:56:08,160
that what you're because what you're

4381
02:56:11,510 --> 02:56:09,600
looking at here is a comparison the

4382
02:56:13,429 --> 02:56:11,520
uaptf holds a small amount of data that

4383
02:56:15,349 --> 02:56:13,439
appear to show uap demonstrating

4384
02:56:18,710 --> 02:56:15,359
acceleration

4385
02:56:19,830 --> 02:56:18,720
or to a degree of signature management

4386
02:56:20,950 --> 02:56:19,840
i believe that what you're looking at

4387
02:56:22,230 --> 02:56:20,960
there that would that would say

4388
02:56:23,670 --> 02:56:22,240
something along the lines of that would

4389
02:56:24,950 --> 02:56:23,680
give the impression

4390
02:56:26,469 --> 02:56:24,960
of incredible

4391
02:56:27,269 --> 02:56:26,479
uh acceleration

4392
02:56:29,590 --> 02:56:27,279
or

4393
02:56:32,389 --> 02:56:29,600
yeah because it follows up with and i

4394
02:56:35,349 --> 02:56:32,399
agree with you because

4395
02:56:36,950 --> 02:56:35,359
the last part of page six is i think the

4396
02:56:39,269 --> 02:56:36,960
most compelling

4397
02:56:41,269 --> 02:56:39,279
and and a lot is revealed here

4398
02:56:44,150 --> 02:56:41,279
additional rigorous analysis is

4399
02:56:46,309 --> 02:56:44,160
necessary by multiple teams or groups of

4400
02:56:49,750 --> 02:56:46,319
technical experts to determine the

4401
02:56:52,230 --> 02:56:49,760
nature and validity of these data

4402
02:56:55,830 --> 02:56:52,240
we are conducting further analysis to

4403
02:56:57,750 --> 02:56:55,840
determine if breakthrough technologies

4404
02:57:00,950 --> 02:56:57,760
were demonstrated

4405
02:57:02,630 --> 02:57:00,960
yep that's a that's a heavy heavy heavy

4406
02:57:04,950 --> 02:57:02,640
statement

4407
02:57:06,630 --> 02:57:04,960
i completely agree i mean we we've

4408
02:57:07,750 --> 02:57:06,640
you've got a couple i pulled out a

4409
02:57:08,950 --> 02:57:07,760
couple of others i'll hit them real

4410
02:57:10,630 --> 02:57:08,960
quick

4411
02:57:13,190 --> 02:57:10,640
the limited amount of high quality

4412
02:57:15,190 --> 02:57:13,200
reporting on uap hampers our ability to

4413
02:57:17,510 --> 02:57:15,200
draw firm conclusions about the nature

4414
02:57:18,870 --> 02:57:17,520
or intent of uap that's a correct

4415
02:57:21,110 --> 02:57:18,880
statement according to the scope of the

4416
02:57:23,590 --> 02:57:21,120
uap task force but it does indicate to

4417
02:57:26,230 --> 02:57:23,600
us that we need more data and throughout

4418
02:57:27,190 --> 02:57:26,240
this document in numerous places they

4419
02:57:29,990 --> 02:57:27,200
mention

4420
02:57:32,389 --> 02:57:30,000
that we need more that we need more data

4421
02:57:33,990 --> 02:57:32,399
more openness more reporting

4422
02:57:37,030 --> 02:57:34,000
and so they're asking the right

4423
02:57:38,309 --> 02:57:37,040
questions in these preliminary reports

4424
02:57:42,309 --> 02:57:38,319
the

4425
02:57:43,269 --> 02:57:42,319
that you saw i'm

4426
02:57:45,750 --> 02:57:43,279
uh

4427
02:57:48,309 --> 02:57:45,760
the way you described it it feels

4428
02:57:49,670 --> 02:57:48,319
voretexy

4429
02:57:50,550 --> 02:57:49,680
okay

4430
02:57:52,790 --> 02:57:50,560
that

4431
02:57:55,269 --> 02:57:52,800
uh

4432
02:57:57,269 --> 02:57:55,279
that incident let's just call it that

4433
02:57:58,950 --> 02:57:57,279
and you said one two three four five six

4434
02:58:00,150 --> 02:57:58,960
seven right

4435
02:58:02,830 --> 02:58:00,160
that

4436
02:58:06,389 --> 02:58:02,840
went to the center and then

4437
02:58:08,309 --> 02:58:06,399
disappeared what did that uh

4438
02:58:10,870 --> 02:58:08,319
show you was it

4439
02:58:13,830 --> 02:58:10,880
was it a point of

4440
02:58:16,550 --> 02:58:13,840
you know quantum physics singularity

4441
02:58:19,110 --> 02:58:16,560
heading into a wormhole and disappearing

4442
02:58:21,110 --> 02:58:19,120
into another dimension as crazy as that

4443
02:58:22,790 --> 02:58:21,120
sounds like i understand i understand

4444
02:58:25,830 --> 02:58:22,800
you're asking me to speculate deep on it

4445
02:58:28,309 --> 02:58:25,840
i'm a lifelong science fiction fan and

4446
02:58:30,469 --> 02:58:28,319
none of those words scare me i i won't

4447
02:58:31,990 --> 02:58:30,479
um harp too far on the fact that

4448
02:58:33,590 --> 02:58:32,000
obviously i'm not a physicist and i

4449
02:58:34,870 --> 02:58:33,600
can't know those things but let me say

4450
02:58:36,630 --> 02:58:34,880
this

4451
02:58:38,309 --> 02:58:36,640
at the time i would have made the same

4452
02:58:40,950 --> 02:58:38,319
guesses use those same words that you

4453
02:58:42,950 --> 02:58:40,960
did right um

4454
02:58:44,550 --> 02:58:42,960
now i'm more apt to say that what i

4455
02:58:47,269 --> 02:58:44,560
observed

4456
02:58:48,790 --> 02:58:47,279
was trans medium travel

4457
02:58:50,389 --> 02:58:48,800
um

4458
02:58:52,630 --> 02:58:50,399
because it to me

4459
02:58:54,630 --> 02:58:52,640
trans me or or excuse me hype uh

4460
02:58:58,070 --> 02:58:54,640
instantaneous acceleration

4461
02:58:59,910 --> 02:58:58,080
probable hypersonic acceleration and

4462
02:59:01,910 --> 02:58:59,920
possible cloaking i mean who knows

4463
02:59:03,590 --> 02:59:01,920
because we're what we're what we have to

4464
02:59:05,590 --> 02:59:03,600
determine we have the five observables

4465
02:59:07,269 --> 02:59:05,600
did i watch stuff cloak itself and

4466
02:59:08,790 --> 02:59:07,279
disappear

4467
02:59:11,190 --> 02:59:08,800
did i watch

4468
02:59:12,070 --> 02:59:11,200
a stream of tracers on the on a range

4469
02:59:16,070 --> 02:59:12,080
that

4470
02:59:18,070 --> 02:59:16,080
and think they were uap um did i see a

4471
02:59:19,590 --> 02:59:18,080
grouping of chaff from an aircraft that

4472
02:59:20,870 --> 02:59:19,600
i wasn't aware about there's a million

4473
02:59:21,990 --> 02:59:20,880
things that could have been but let's be

4474
02:59:23,750 --> 02:59:22,000
real here we were in the middle of the

4475
02:59:25,830 --> 02:59:23,760
tic-tac event i was asked to look for

4476
02:59:26,870 --> 02:59:25,840
lights in the sky saw 5-7 do something

4477
02:59:29,590 --> 02:59:26,880
weird

4478
02:59:31,670 --> 02:59:29,600
to me it's it's either what we were just

4479
02:59:33,910 --> 02:59:31,680
looking at with something that is either

4480
02:59:36,070 --> 02:59:33,920
showing an acceleration that's beyond

4481
02:59:38,389 --> 02:59:36,080
what we're used to or they are able to

4482
02:59:40,389 --> 02:59:38,399
do signature management in a way that

4483
02:59:43,190 --> 02:59:40,399
they can disappear

4484
02:59:45,269 --> 02:59:43,200
and reappear elsewhere because if i if

4485
02:59:47,750 --> 02:59:45,279
i'm standing in front of you in a room

4486
02:59:49,910 --> 02:59:47,760
and i move instantaneously from point a

4487
02:59:52,070 --> 02:59:49,920
to point b

4488
02:59:53,349 --> 02:59:52,080
what's the difference between me moving

4489
02:59:55,110 --> 02:59:53,359
there

4490
02:59:56,870 --> 02:59:55,120
or you know me disappearing and moving

4491
02:59:59,429 --> 02:59:56,880
there and reappearing

4492
03:00:01,110 --> 02:59:59,439
or me disappearing and reappearing

4493
03:00:03,349 --> 03:00:01,120
without any kind of

4494
03:00:05,910 --> 03:00:03,359
three-dimensional battle space movement

4495
03:00:07,830 --> 03:00:05,920
i can't prove that from here

4496
03:00:09,429 --> 03:00:07,840
but what i think i saw was commensurate

4497
03:00:11,910 --> 03:00:09,439
with the five observables and when i

4498
03:00:13,590 --> 03:00:11,920
first told lou that story

4499
03:00:15,910 --> 03:00:13,600
um

4500
03:00:16,790 --> 03:00:15,920
he he turned to his colleague that i was

4501
03:00:19,429 --> 03:00:16,800
with

4502
03:00:21,110 --> 03:00:19,439
who actually that person was

4503
03:00:22,309 --> 03:00:21,120
uaptf lead

4504
03:00:23,590 --> 03:00:22,319
and said

4505
03:00:25,429 --> 03:00:23,600
see

4506
03:00:27,429 --> 03:00:25,439
and that person said

4507
03:00:28,950 --> 03:00:27,439
just shook his head like like kind of

4508
03:00:30,630 --> 03:00:28,960
like a damn it

4509
03:00:32,550 --> 03:00:30,640
like that wasn't in the report we didn't

4510
03:00:34,389 --> 03:00:32,560
know that that matches its commensurate

4511
03:00:36,550 --> 03:00:34,399
with other data kind of thing we we had

4512
03:00:39,349 --> 03:00:36,560
a conversation that was kind of loose

4513
03:00:41,670 --> 03:00:39,359
about that so i think what i saw was was

4514
03:00:43,510 --> 03:00:41,680
a crap were five to seven craft or

4515
03:00:45,349 --> 03:00:43,520
something of that nature

4516
03:00:48,790 --> 03:00:45,359
uh exhibiting the five observables in

4517
03:00:50,870 --> 03:00:48,800
the battle space in the uh 60 seconds

4518
03:00:53,070 --> 03:00:50,880
that we have left the million dollar

4519
03:00:55,830 --> 03:00:53,080
question is uh

4520
03:00:59,030 --> 03:00:55,840
2022 the year

4521
03:01:01,670 --> 03:00:59,040
are things moving along as quickly as

4522
03:01:02,469 --> 03:01:01,680
lou would suggest and that you are aware

4523
03:01:05,349 --> 03:01:02,479
of

4524
03:01:07,670 --> 03:01:05,359
is is there something dramatic that is

4525
03:01:08,950 --> 03:01:07,680
going to happen in 2022 when it comes to

4526
03:01:11,990 --> 03:01:08,960
disclosure

4527
03:01:14,230 --> 03:01:12,000
and the the big reveal

4528
03:01:16,150 --> 03:01:14,240
well you know there we are again talking

4529
03:01:17,990 --> 03:01:16,160
about big reveals and dramatic stuff i

4530
03:01:20,070 --> 03:01:18,000
would say that that steady progress is

4531
03:01:21,910 --> 03:01:20,080
being made the kite type of progress

4532
03:01:24,309 --> 03:01:21,920
that we've seen before to me has become

4533
03:01:26,710 --> 03:01:24,319
exponential the level of interest that

4534
03:01:29,510 --> 03:01:26,720
we have the the junkets that are being

4535
03:01:32,469 --> 03:01:29,520
planned the international outreach the

4536
03:01:34,710 --> 03:01:32,479
gathering of subject matter experts

4537
03:01:36,950 --> 03:01:34,720
and the socializing of this topic as

4538
03:01:38,469 --> 03:01:36,960
incredibly serious are moving at a pace

4539
03:01:40,710 --> 03:01:38,479
that i would not have guessed even six

4540
03:01:42,230 --> 03:01:40,720
months ago um the reports i'm getting

4541
03:01:44,389 --> 03:01:42,240
back about how serious this is being

4542
03:01:46,150 --> 03:01:44,399
taken on the hill how serious it's being

4543
03:01:47,269 --> 03:01:46,160
taken you know in the beltway and in the

4544
03:01:49,830 --> 03:01:47,279
pentagon

4545
03:01:51,830 --> 03:01:49,840
are are unlike anything i've ever seen

4546
03:01:53,830 --> 03:01:51,840
um people will call those platitudes

4547
03:01:56,870 --> 03:01:53,840
they'll say i'm pumping folks up nope

4548
03:01:59,670 --> 03:01:56,880
i'm not calling for dramatic

4549
03:02:01,349 --> 03:01:59,680
global change but i am talking for major

4550
03:02:03,190 --> 03:02:01,359
foundational wickets

4551
03:02:04,630 --> 03:02:03,200
that are unlike any we've seen before

4552
03:02:07,910 --> 03:02:04,640
and we're standing here reading this

4553
03:02:10,790 --> 03:02:07,920
unredacted report about uap right right

4554
03:02:11,910 --> 03:02:10,800
it's crazy to me sean thank you for all

4555
03:02:14,790 --> 03:02:11,920
of your efforts what a great

4556
03:02:17,030 --> 03:02:14,800
conversation tonight and i so look

4557
03:02:18,630 --> 03:02:17,040
forward to the next time on the show and

4558
03:02:20,309 --> 03:02:18,640
you know tonight we had to do a little

4559
03:02:22,950 --> 03:02:20,319
bit of everything

4560
03:02:25,030 --> 03:02:22,960
uh when you come back we'll focus on one

4561
03:02:26,630 --> 03:02:25,040
subject and and do the deep dive my

4562
03:02:29,510 --> 03:02:26,640
friend thank you so much i'd love to

4563
03:02:31,990 --> 03:02:29,520
thank you jimmy shawn cahill everybody

4564
03:02:33,990 --> 03:02:32,000
and uh i want to remind uh thank you

4565
03:02:36,710 --> 03:02:34,000
sean i want to remind everybody tomorrow

4566
03:02:37,990 --> 03:02:36,720
night is fader night and it's open lines

4567
03:02:41,830 --> 03:02:38,000
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4568
03:02:43,630 --> 03:02:41,840
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4569
03:02:45,429 --> 03:02:43,640
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4570
03:02:47,230 --> 03:02:45,439
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4571
03:02:48,790 --> 03:02:47,240
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4572
03:02:50,469 --> 03:02:48,800
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4573
03:02:52,790 --> 03:02:50,479
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03:02:53,750 --> 03:02:52,800
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